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    Morgan on DIC

    This is an article that appeared in the Irish Times today in which Steve Morgan talks about what's going on with the deal as he sees it. he also talks about his attempted takeover a few years ago.

    'Pool shareholder rues missed chance

    Tuesday, December 19, 2006

    Liverpool's third-largest shareholder says that he should have bought the club when he had the chance after making a bid two years ago only to back out having seen the full extent of the costs for a new stadium.
    Steve Morgan, who made his millions in the building and hotel industries, is about to lose the prize he has wanted for years to the Dubai International Capital group, who are currently engaged in due diligence ahead of an expected £450million bid for the club.
    Morgan had reached a provisional agreement with chairman David Moores, before his own due diligence process prompted him to attempt to re-negotiate the share price leading to the collapse of the deal.

    "My bid was pre-Istanbul, pre-Rafa Benitez settling into the club and pre-the Sky TV deal," Morgan said in an interview. "If I'd had a crystal ball and seen all these things in advance then maybe I should have done the deal at the time. Hindsight is a wonderful thing."
    The club looks set to be taken over by DIC, the investment arm of the Dubai government, representing the ruling Maktoum family.

    "It seems that they are well on now with their due diligence, from what I hear I do not see any reason why it should not go through. Probably sometime in mid to late January. That seems to be well on target," Morgan told BBC Radio Five Live.

    The takeover will end Morgan's own shareholding because DIC are aiming at a 100 per cent takeover, which will force every shareholder to eventually sell to them.
    Morgan, however, has a word of warning for foreign investors.

    "I don't really know the answer to why foreign bids for our clubs are more prevalent. Maybe because things look better from the outside looking in, sometimes things look better than they actually are.

    "All the clubs in the Premiership cannot be successful, there's winners and losers and we all know who the winners and losers are likely to be. Some people will inevitably get their fingers burnt."

    He added: "In my case, I wanted to buy a Premiership football club because I am a lifelong fan. I did see it as a business investment, of course I did, but the attraction for me to buy Liverpool was that I am a die-hard fan.

    "What foreign-based buyers see is more long term. They are looking for world brands, with Liverpool, Manchester United that is exactly what they have got.

    "But people seem to have got this supposed £450m completely wrong. They will probably pay around £150m, the balance is the debt that is in the club which is around £90m and the building of the new stadium which is anything between £200m to £230m.

    "That is where the £450m comes from. But the one thing that the sheikh and Dubai International Capital will not be doing is to write out a cheque for £450m.

    "They won't write a cheque for anything like that, they will do the deal on debt, particularly the stadium, and quite rightly so."


    He said: "If someone puts that kind of equity in they will fund the stadium on debt. It will all come out in the wash but even some of the existing debt will be financed on debt.

    "There will not be this huge wall of cash coming in that everybody seems to think."
    If i was the petty type I could say "I told you so" to whoever it was that said I was talking ****e a few weeks back (the fella with the "august sources" whoever he was) but I'll try to refrain.

    One other interesting point made in the article (but not by Morgan himself) is that the Irish Times reckon DIC will look to take 100% control over time.

    #2
    Originally posted by Rosco View Post

    If i was the petty type I could say "I told you so" to whoever it was that said I was talking ****e a few weeks back (the fella with the "august sources" whoever he was) but I'll try to refrain.
    But you'll be the petty type anyway and still mention it?

    I wouldn't trust a word that man says anyway so it doesnt really prove your point.

    He's been bull****ting about what his offer was for years, making out it was great when it was ****e so excuse me if I dont buy his words this time.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Chris View Post
      But you'll be the petty type anyway and still mention it?

      I wouldn't trust a word that man says anyway so it doesnt really prove your point.

      He's been bull****ting about what his offer was for years, making out it was great when it was ****e so excuse me if I dont buy his words this time.
      The bits in black are spot on.

      Anyone with any understanding of financial management (in relation to mergers and acquisitions) will tell you that.

      People seem to want to ignore the facts and reality of this situation in favour of the fairytale. I guess ignorance is bliss.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Rosco View Post
        The bits in black are spot on.
        I think you'll find they havent even taken over yet so that isnt "spot on".

        You apparently only deal in "facts" yet miss the fact they're not even our new owners yet.

        I guess ignorance is bliss.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Rosco View Post
          The bits in black are spot on.

          Anyone with any understanding of financial management (in relation to mergers and acquisitions) will tell you that.

          People seem to want to ignore the facts and reality of this situation in favour of the fairytale. I guess ignorance is bliss.
          If you want us to treat them as FACT then you'd better provide us with some tangible evidence. Unless you are privvy to the specifics of the deal, I would respectfully suggest that those comments are merely speculation.
          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
          (1995)
          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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            #6
            Here's another extract from the same interview but it wasn't contained in the Irish Times article :

            "The lion's share of this £450m is for the stadium. You will have a wonderful asset that will take the club forward for many years to come.

            "The stadium is the asset, it is what DIC will see the greater part of their return coming from.

            "DIC are a private equity company, they are on it for a return, they are business people."

            And Morgan reveals that there is little difference between the DIC bid and his own attempt to buy the club.

            He said: "If you look at the arithmetic, my bid was not very much different to the Dubai bid, I was going to build a stadium and take on the debt.

            "That's £300m of the £450m now being mentioned. The difference now is that when I put my bid in, I was bidding for part of the club, not all of it. I was bidding to buy around 60%.

            "I wanted to leave the fans owning 40%. But the DIC will be for a full 100% of shares.

            "It is different because the existing shareholders, and the chairman in particular, will recoup a lot more cash from this bid than they would have done from me.

            "But with me the fans would have still owned shares if my bid had gone through."

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              #7
              Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
              If you want us to treat them as FACT then you'd better provide us with some tangible evidence. Unless you are privvy to the specifics of the deal, I would respectfully suggest that those comments are merely speculation.
              I've already done it in previous threads mate.

              The evidence can be easily gathered from the company accounts. The Balance sheet section.

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                #8
                Morgan can go and do one. He doesn't know what the deal is, he isn't involved so his guess is as good as mine i.e. worthless.
                Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                (1995)
                "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chris View Post
                  I think you'll find they havent even taken over yet so that isnt "spot on".

                  You apparently only deal in "facts" yet miss the fact they're not even our new owners yet.

                  I guess ignorance is bliss.
                  Steve Morgans words are all in the future tense.

                  Put your head back in the sandpit Chris.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rosco View Post
                    I've already done it in previous threads mate.

                    The evidence can be easily gathered from the company accounts. The Balance sheet section.
                    OK but where is the evidence that DIC are going to refinance the debts and borrow the money for the stadium? Maybe the Sheik will just write a cheque
                    Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                    (1995)
                    "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rosco View Post
                      Steve Morgans words are all in the future tense.

                      Put your head back in the sandpit Chris.
                      And is just speculation like the stuff you're claiming to be "right" about. You can only be proved "right" if you're actually that obsessed with it when the deal has gone through and we know exactly whats happening and if what youve said happens then congratulations your life will be complete. Until then why not wait patiently and see?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                        Morgan can go and do one. He doesn't know what the deal is, he isn't involved so his guess is as good as mine i.e. worthless.
                        You don't think Liverpools third largest shareholder might know something about what is going on at the club ?

                        He was right about the debt figure last year wasn't he ?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rosco View Post
                          You don't think Liverpools third largest shareholder might know something about what is going on at the club ?

                          He was right about the debt figure last year wasn't he ?
                          Why would he be told the specifics of the deal? It serves no purpose. He has no say in whether the deal goes ahead. I don't think he knows anything about this deal that isn't already on public record, in fact I'm sure of it.
                          Originally posted by Gordon Brown
                          (1995)
                          "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Red Chilli View Post
                            OK but where is the evidence that DIC are going to refinance the debts and borrow the money for the stadium? Maybe the Sheik will just write a cheque
                            Naive in the extreme.

                            Firstly the Sheik doesn't have much to do with this deal. DIC are the ones who will run the company if they take over not the Sheik. His family is the 100% shareholder in DIC but he doesn't run DIC. The Board run the company.

                            They are an investment company, they exist to make a profit and you don't do that by throwing £200m down the swanny.

                            Taken from their website under the investment strategy section "With a preference for Leveraged Buy Outs in Europe and North America , DIC focuses on opportunities where it can add value to the deal, and subsequently, the business."

                            For those not familiar with business double speak a "Leveraged Buy Out" is one that involves a mixture of equity (their money) and debt.

                            It was never mentioned about refinancing the debts, because they're probably isn't a need to, provided we're currently meeting our debt repayments. The club will continue to pay it's debts as they fall due.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rosco View Post
                              You don't think Liverpools third largest shareholder might know something about what is going on at the club ?

                              He was right about the debt figure last year wasn't he ?
                              Was he Right about the Debts?

                              All I see is him admitting that he screwed up by undervaluating the club when he made his bid
                              "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son"

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