Mamadou Sakho

[MrMichael]

I think so too, and agree with G a bit here as well. We have Alberto, Aspas, Sakho, Sahin and Assaidi who I believe are signings put forward by the committee. The risk is that they don't receive fair treatment from Rodgers if he wanted someone else.

But why do you think that?

Even if we assume our transfer system is so different to other clubs (which is another argument completely and one I'm not really convinced by), why were they not players Rodgers wanted? Nobody suggested that at the time they were signed, using their lack of success now to draw a backwards correlation is honestly just a manipulation of events to suit an argument.

Goodness me how many managers sign players then don't play them? Some signings work, some don't - how do people explain the "Rodgers signings" like Borini? Or Joe Allen getting dropped last year? Just like all of that list of yours, they didn't perform so they were dropped imo. Why does it have to be about fair treatment? Is our manager really a petulant brat?

[captainfog]

I'm not sure what the debate is. Some signings will be committee driven and some will be manager driven. It's obvious, isn't it?!

I think Rodgers doesn't pick Sakho because he's a ****ing liability who gets pulled out of position all the time. He's ungainly, uncoordinated and not the required standard of a Liverpool player. He has a high pass completion rate though.....

What a waste of money.

[The_weatherman]

But why do you think that?

Even if we assume our transfer system is so different to other clubs (which is another argument completely and one I'm not really convinced by), why were they not players Rodgers wanted? Nobody suggested that at the time they were signed, using their lack of success now to draw a backwards correlation is honestly just a manipulation of events to suit an argument.

Goodness me how many managers sign players then don't play them? Some signings work, some don't - how do people explain the "Rodgers signings" like Borini? Or Joe Allen getting dropped last year? Just like all of that list of yours, they didn't perform so they were dropped imo. Why does it have to be about fair treatment? Is our manager really a petulant brat?

Same as G, rumours and the fact that the spoke about the committee in the start of Rodgers tenure. I could be wrong but I think this is the case. I think there were murmurings from the start about Sakho being a committee signing though. I thought he'd be great tbh, still think he can be.

I do think clubs have different approaches to signing players and sometimes the manager gets to pick them, sometimes a DOF and sometimes a group of people. I think it's always best if the manager chooses himself because the buck stops with him, that way he can't deflect responsibility.

Rodgers is actually one of the few managers around IMO who isn't afraid to change is opinion, but I think there isn't a manager around who wouldn't be annoyed if he received a player he didn't feel fit into his thinking. The manager really can't be expected to hand out number of chances to playes he doesn't like.

I admit, I maybe wrong.......can you?

[The_weatherman]

I'm not sure what the debate is. Some signings will be committee driven and some will be manager driven. It's obvious, isn't it?!
I think Rodgers doesn't pick Sakho because he's a ****ing liability who gets pulled out of position all the time. He's ungainly, uncoordinated and not the required standard of a Liverpool player. He has a high pass completion rate though.....

What a waste of money.

I think it's fairly obvious, and to be fair the club bent over backwards this summer to get in Lallana and Lovren and Moreno.

[MrMichael]

I admit, I maybe wrong.......can you?

Yeah, but I'll need something a bit more concrete than what is complete supposition because of the structure we employ before I conclude that the manager picks the team based on which player he had the most say in signing, rather than simply because he thinks player (a) is better than player (b).

I think Rodgers doesn't pick Sakho because he's a ****ing liability who gets pulled out of position all the time. He's ungainly, uncoordinated and not the required standard of a Liverpool player. He has a high pass completion rate though.....

Got to be at least as likely as the other options anyway

[The_weatherman]

Yeah, but I'll need something a bit more concrete than what is complete supposition because of the structure we employ before I conclude that the manager picks the team based on which player he had the most say in signing, rather than simply because he thinks player (a) is better than player (b).

I think he picks the team based on which players fit better or are good enough like you say, take Alberto, a good player but a not a good fit for Brendan.

But it's very rare to see cases like Aspas and Alberto, they didn't get a look in all season (deservedly so ), Brendan tried Borini and Allen and was patient with them in their first season. Most managers stick with their signings for some time. You'll see Lovren in the first team this season and it'll take lots of cockups to change that IMO.

But we'll agree to disagree, I think the committee pushes some signings forward and I don't think he really wants them all.

[G]

People people.

G seems to think that way (without putting words in his mouth). A couple of my friends seem to think similar.

I don't think he was forced on him. I think he wanted someone else but got Sakho. Clearly if that was the case you'd be less enthusiastic about your new signing than you would be if you got the one you really wanted and consequently I don't think Sakho has got a fair deal. He won't either. Lovren was signed as his direct replacement. People talk about Mignolet deserving another season behind a settled defence before we write him off and I think Sakho deserves ones too but that's by the by.

I'm bored of this now carry on amongst yourselves.

Edit :I answered something you didn't say. You did say I think we are the only ones with a committee approach. Not the case. Everybody has scouts but in England it's the manager who decides which player on a list gets signed. So England we probably are unique in our approach regarding decision making on who gets signed but it's the norm elsewhere, this is why is was aghast at being asked to explain why I thought we had done things as a committee as if it was something unheard of. The manager has a say but his voice was one of many and not the deciding one imo. That's how I always perceived our approach to be going by the things I read about our committee. It was a communal approach and one in which he didn't have the deciding vote or veto or whatever. I think it's changed this season and his enthusiasm with all our signings is because they were all his first choices.

Anyway, carry on

[alonso14]

If you remember Fallows and Hunter left City because they wanted to unearth the next stars, and were pissed off with City ignoring their recommendations and just going out and buying Silva, Aguero etc for big money, something any one of us could have done.

I was once told (by a journalist (one of the good ones tbf) so it's not necessarily a fact ) that Coutinho and Sturridge were initially driven by the committee (Fallows and Hunter mainly). Obviously they both knew Sturridge from his time at City and Coutinho fits the bill in terms of young and great untapped potential. Rodgers turned his nose up at Sturridge in the summer window but had been convinced by the time the next window came around.

I think it's clear these guys have more influence and a greater say than your regular scouting networks at other clubs who don't have a committee in place.

That's pretty much what I think is going on too. I heard that Brendan Rodgers didn't initially want Daniel sturridge but he was signed anyway. As you say, that David Fallows and Barry hunter are interested in finding gems or real value in the transfer market so that's led us to some interesting signings like iago aspas and en emphasis on finding stars whilst theyre still young. Illori, Alberto , origi, markovic, emre can, Alberto Moreno, Javier manquillo are examples of a focus on buying young unproven talent which may develop further.

The manager wanted Ashley Williams but he was given sakho who's a younger and maybe potentially better version of him. But that doesn't mean that Brendan has to use him. Which has been the case really.

I don't believe the manager is in complete control of all signings but hes certainly got his way with lallana and lovren. The rest of the acquisitions are very debatable.

[captainfog]

As **** as Sakho may or may not be, he's definitely better than Ashley ****ing Williams.

[Assassin]

What a thread....

Full of unsubstanciated rumours and I believe's. Not a scrap of evidence with regard to what actually happens with regard to transfers and who agrees, who gets the last say in transfers.....

Keep up the good work girls

[Daniel 7]

Well I've thoroughly enjoyed this read on the merits and probabilities of the transfer committee.

In relation to Sakho, is it a reprimand or a real injury that's keeping him out now? Seems awfully coincidental that he's unavailable after his alleged storming out before the derby.

Looking more likely he'll be gone by next summer though - I can't say I'll particularly miss him. I wanted to be a fan of his, but the fizzing passes to feet have never been the first thing I've looked for when trying to get behind a central defender.

[Shaggy]

Well I've thoroughly enjoyed this read on the merits and probabilities of the transfer committee.

In relation to Sakho, is it a reprimand or a real injury that's keeping him out now? Seems awfully coincidental that he's unavailable after his alleged storming out before the derby.

Looking more likely he'll be gone by next summer though - I can't say I'll particularly miss him. I wanted to be a fan of his, but the fizzing passes to feet have never been the first thing I've looked for when trying to get behind a central defender.

No doubt some will blast me for suggesting a "conspiracy theory" but I think it's pretty obvious he's serving a suspension imposed by the club, only they want to keep it in-house so they're spinning the injury line. It's naive to think this sort of thing doesn't go on (remember Rafa's "football is a lie" mantra) - the sport is full of it...riddled with constant and bare-faced BS.

[Daniel 7]

If that's the case, its admirable in a way, but that stubbornness might end up making the club look pretty stupid if anything happens to Lovren or Skrtel.

[Shaggy]

Aye. Only my opinion though, might be wrong, he might have suffered a massively coincidental injury since Saturday when he was fine.

[BobTheCharmer]

ffs lads, its obvious Sakho injured his thigh in the haste of getting out of the ground on Saturday!