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  • BigChief
    Paisley
    • Sep 2007
    • 13811

    #3826
    Over the course of the season I'd say we're decent in the finishing department. Or at least we were up to Christmas. Our issues started when our best players started falling like dominoes. Now our preferred XI starts against Hull goals will come from someone regardless of how much they sit back.
    One tit for another.

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    • labourRed
      Paisley
      • Jun 2015
      • 13452

      #3827
      Originally posted by BigChief
      Over the course of the season I'd say we're decent in the finishing department. Or at least we were up to Christmas. Our issues started when our best players started falling like dominoes. Now our preferred XI starts against Hull goals will come from someone regardless of how much they sit back.
      I'm not entirely sure we are. In the early half of the season we were creating about 20 chances a game, now we're well into low single figures. That is highlighting the misses, although we were playing chelsea.

      Should be better with Mane back now though in terms of creativity... should also create space for firmino and countinho also.

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      • Lecter
        Nicked from elsewhere
        • Jul 2006
        • 18261

        #3828
        Originally posted by Fredo
        About the urgency point you mention. We adopt this when we don't have the ball. When we have it we need to vary the tempo as it's unsustainable over the course of a game.
        At our best we do

        In recent weeks we have been painfully slow the vast bulk of the games and our pressing has been of much lower intensity

        The notable exceptions to that are against United & last night against Chelsea
        Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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        • Norbs
          Big Girl's Blouse
          • Jun 2007
          • 42637

          #3829
          Originally posted by Fredo
          About the urgency point you mention. We adopt this when we don't have the ball. When we have it we need to vary the tempo as it's unsustainable over the course of a game.
          It's an old saying but nothing moves faster than the ball and it doesn't tire

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          • Fredo
            Not to be taken seriously
            • Aug 2010
            • 35173

            #3830
            Originally posted by Norbs
            It's an old saying but nothing moves faster than the ball and it doesn't tire
            But you need players to move into space to receive it. The ball doesn't move to nobody.
            Are we winning?

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            • Lecter
              Nicked from elsewhere
              • Jul 2006
              • 18261

              #3831
              Originally posted by Fredo
              But you need players to move into space to receive it. The ball doesn't move to nobody.
              Theres been players in acres of space in threatening areas over the last few weeks its just by the time we have taken 98 passes to get it out to them the space is at the opposite side of the pitch

              I think often TV tends to follow the ball and you dont always see what is going on on the opposite flanks off the ball
              Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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              • baitman
                Dad's Cabs
                • Sep 2011
                • 27735

                #3832
                Originally posted by Norbs
                It's an old saying but nothing moves faster than the ball and it doesn't tire
                let the ball do most of the running
                removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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                • Buzzo
                  Donald Buzzworth
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 67435

                  #3833
                  He is such a clear thinker, such a pragmatist.



                  I love how he takes all the speculation, the 'if's, buts and maybes' out of the equation.
                  Modifying post.

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                  • Norbs
                    Big Girl's Blouse
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 42637

                    #3834
                    Originally posted by Fredo
                    But you need players to move into space to receive it. The ball doesn't move to nobody.
                    If course, but 900 sideways passes echo game need someone to move in to space and with a pressing game you're hounding the opponents too. It's no wonder the players look exhausted.

                    What we lack is intelligent movement.

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                    • Norbs
                      Big Girl's Blouse
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 42637

                      #3835
                      Originally posted by Lecter
                      Theres been players in acres of space in threatening areas over the last few weeks its just by the time we have taken 98 passes to get it out to them the space is at the opposite side of the pitch

                      I think often TV tends to follow the ball and you dont always see what is going on on the opposite flanks off the ball
                      The amount of space afforded to our opponentsite to play in to is frightening. Klopp'll deal with it and sort it. Henderson has the vision and ability but I think Can will be a casualty this summer while his stock is relatively high

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                      • Lecter
                        Nicked from elsewhere
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 18261

                        #3836
                        Originally posted by Norbs
                        The amount of space afforded to our opponentsite to play in to is frightening. Klopp'll deal with it and sort it. Henderson has the vision and ability but I think Can will be a casualty this summer while his stock is relatively high

                        I am talking about our attacking not our defending

                        That said our defending is poor and its why I have been wanting a dedicated holding player
                        Bob Paisley - "This club has been my life. I'd go out and sweep the street and be proud to do it for Liverpool if they asked me to."

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                        • labourRed
                          Paisley
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 13452

                          #3837
                          Originally posted by Buzzo
                          He is such a clear thinker, such a pragmatist.



                          I love how he takes all the speculation, the 'if's, buts and maybes' out of the equation.

                          He's a fud is what he is.

                          That said, he makes some obvious points (albeit with without context). Squad needs additions and with Sturridge, Sakho and Lucas moving on in the summer. About 6 players with the potential of being first team regulars is the minimum IMO.

                          We probably are suffering from being a non-European squad.

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                          • Charly
                            Paisley
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 10365

                            #3838
                            Originally posted by Lecter
                            I think we have to see what results Klopp gets when he has 5 or 6 signings of his in the first team
                            But what happens if we finish fifth and cannot get the players he wants?

                            Will he be willing to compromise and take a punt... or will we be stuck with Lovren and Mig for another year, no holding midfielder... no decent defensive backup.

                            I know its a lot to address in the first year, but how often do you find yourself in second, directly challanging the top at Christmas? Some risk was required, and now we are in a pretty tough position.

                            I still think a single central defender... an average quality 32 year old "old head" for a couple of million would have been enough to boost our chances without wrecking any plans for the summer.

                            Our entire defence goes to utter utter **** without Matip in there. I cannot believe that we just thought " it will do until the summer"... especially knowing how poor Mig and Lovren have been in the past, and already of the knowledge the Klavan could not cut it, and Lovren and Klaven together was just a ****fest waiting to happen. Lucas as an emergency centreback is just plain dumb. He has never shown any natural defensive apptitude, and his passing just get sloppier as he gets older. And with Sakho not even being considered.

                            I imagine If anyone here made such an obvious ****up as leaving us with no quality defensive cover, we would probably lose our jobs. Im assuming they do some kind of "risk management / assessment" on the team and understand potential weaknesses. I have to do monthly reports expaining how we would mitigate problems like that. I think if I came into a meeting and my solution was the equivalent of saying " oh we can just pop Lucas in there" then I would probably be asked to step aside.
                            Last edited by Charly; 02-02-17, 07:28 PM.
                            In the beginning, Fowler created the Heaven and the Earth.

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                            • Fredo
                              Not to be taken seriously
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 35173

                              #3839
                              The whole team defends, not just the defenders. It's simplistic to think otherwise. As for us not having cover, when Klavan deputised for Matip we were doing fine for a lot of games. Don't think it's an issue. Issue is, as ever, consistency.
                              Are we winning?

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                              • Le Chef
                                Paisley
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 10746

                                #3840
                                Have FSG backed Klopp tho -
                                I make no apologies, this is me

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