Jürgen Klopp

[Mark79]

The argument about player welfare and negligent scheduling is irrelevant to how many centre backs we did or didn’t sign in the summer though.

And anyone who wants to write this off as Klopp whining is either wilfully ignoring the issue over having a dig at a rival manager, or just too dumb to see it until it eventually effects their team.

[Kenneth]

No cover at RB. And we sold a CB and didn't replace him, leaving 2 out of 3 first team CBs being injury prone. This was covered pretty extensively in the summer.

[Kenneth]

The argument about player welfare and negligent scheduling is irrelevant to how many centre backs we did or didn’t sign in the summer though.

And anyone who wants to write this off as Klopp whining is either wilfully ignoring the issue over having a dig at a rival manager, or just too dumb to see it until it eventually effects their team.

Indeed, exactly the people that need persuading/pressuring. For things to change, the PL need to feel compelled to do so.

If Klopp isn't trying use the post matches for persuasive purposes and just wants to vent, then fair enough, but I'd personally rather he didn't.

[Mark79]

No cover at RB. And we sold a CB and didn't replace him, leaving 2 out of 3 first team CBs being injury prone. Those was covered pretty extensively in the summer.

We could have 3 players for every position. Klopp’s argument would still be no less relevant.

[Kenneth]

We could have 3 players for every position. Klopp’s argument would still be no less relevant.

Rotation not a thing? He likely would still have a point about the density of the fixture list, but he probably wouldn't be talking about it.

[Mr Pink]

Honestly, I think we did really well in the summer- yes with hindsight we should maybe have bought a center back...

Fabinho has been amazing in defense, so I think it’s fair to say we had ample cover there- just sick luck that vvd and Gomez both out for the season...

Milner has been class at right back when played there... in a perfect world, we wouldn’t be plugging these holes in defense with midfielders, but we had to work with a strict budget this summer, and I think we spent very well...


Regarding what Jurgen said after the Brighton game- agreed that it looked a bit bad or whatever, but what’s the big deal?! Not like that’s gonna cost us points... people making a mountain out of a mole hill ffs...

[Mark79]

Rotation not a thing? He likely would still have a point about the density of the fixture list, but he probably wouldn't be talking about it.

Hard to rotate when your players are dropping like flies?

He’s been talking about it for years? Even when he’s had a largely fit squad to choose from.

[Irishnev]

Hard to rotate when your players are dropping like flies?

He’s been talking about it for years? Even when he’s had a largely fit squad to choose from.

In all my years following Liverpool this is by far and away the best squad (and arguably team) we’ve ever had. The only doubts were CB cover but VVD and either Joe or Matip would enough to get through the season.

Losing VVD for the season was the absolute worst thing that could have happened and everything else snowballed for that. Availability is one of the most underrated attribute and VVD was an absolute machine who literally played the most minutes in football last season.

The knock on effects of that have been catastrophic with regards to rotation and over playing players

[BG1973]

Indeed, exactly the people that need persuading/pressuring. For things to change, the PL need to feel compelled to do so.

If Klopp isn't trying use the post matches for persuasive purposes and just wants to vent, then fair enough, but I'd personally rather he didn't.

I agree he would be better off not going there but he's an emotional beast so I think you may be expecting too much from him in that scenario - straight after a terrible VAR decision and another injury.

[Mr Pink]

Losing VVD for the season was the absolute worst thing that could have happened

Losing Allison would have been infinitely worse- excluding penalties, we conceded 4 goals in the 9 games that VVD missed- west ham, city and 2 against Atalanta... we conceded 9 goals in the 3 games that Allison missed!

It’s a looong road ahead, but I think we’ve coped really well without VVD and Gomez so far.

[Fosterbloke]

Losing Allison would have been infinitely worse- excluding penalties, we conceded 4 goals in the 9 games that VVD missed- west ham, city and 2 against Atalanta... we conceded 9 goals in the 3 games that Allison missed!

It’s a looong road ahead, but I think we’ve coped really well without VVD and Gomez so far.

Reports say he's got the Rona..

[Irishnev]

Losing Allison would have been infinitely worse- excluding penalties, we conceded 4 goals in the 9 games that VVD missed- west ham, city and 2 against Atalanta... we conceded 9 goals in the 3 games that Allison missed!

It’s a looong road ahead, but I think we’ve coped really well without VVD and Gomez so far.

In terms of balance to squad - not being able to "missed" or having adequate cover..........no VVD=

Overplaying Gomez - injured
Overplaying Matip - Injured
Overplaying Fab (moved to CB) - Injured
Overplaying Midfielders to compensate for Fab - Naby, Hendo, Milner all injured

Of course Thiago missing also doesn't help but most stems from VVD not being available

[Mr Pink]

In terms of balance to squad - not being able to "missed" or having adequate cover..........no VVD=

Overplaying Gomez - injured
Overplaying Matip - Injured
Overplaying Fab (moved to CB) - Injured
Overplaying Midfielders to compensate for Fab - Naby, Hendo, Milner all injured

Of course Thiago missing also doesn't help but most stems from VVD not being available

In the 2 league games games that Allison was out we dropped 5 points...

In the 5 league games that ALL those players were out, we dropped 4...

Also, think you are stretching a bit saying that VVD being out caused all those injuries...

[frank the tank]

Ali is by far our most important player. When he isn't there, we are ****ed.

If he wasn't out v Atletico last year, we'd have been in the CL semis.

[Irishnev]

In the 2 league games games that Allison was out we dropped 5 points...

In the 5 league games that ALL those players were out, we dropped 4...

Also, think you are stretching a bit saying that VVD being out caused all those injuries...

I think VVD being out caused a snowball effect to over play others and it cascaded from there. I do agree that Ali being out has a bigger impact though.......Adrien is nowhere near the levels on the back ups to VVD