Anyone Watching The Cricket Fiasco

[Cantankerous]

I love how stubborn both the Pakistan team was and how stubborn the umpires were afterwards.

This is not sport, it is farce.

[Kaip]

:d :d

[Cantankerous]

Heh - would've loved them all to go out onto the pitch and then the light be offered to the England batsmen and they all went off anyway. That would have been beautiful.



Bet that all the people who'd bought tickets for the Oval today are dead happy about all this too.

[saveferris]

If Hair has no proof he should resign

[Bob]

They should resign the sport - it's fookin pish

[G_Man]

If Hair has no proof he should resign

What a stupid comment that is.

I'm sorry but he is an umpire not a politician. If he thinks the ball has been illegally tampered with, and if you saw the incident you will have seen he inspected the ball with his fellow umpire, then he is perfectly in his rights to award England 5 runs and change the ball.

THAT IS IN THE RULES OF THE GAME. If he didn't have proof, he wouldn't ****ing do it would he? What difference does 5 runs make? It's like saying, unless the ref has proof that Steven Gerrard was fouled yesterday then he should resign.

Bottom line is, the Pakistani team was caught tampering with the ball. They're cheats and the ICC should punish them.

[lfc4ever]

Match is now forfeited, awarded to England

Decision on ball tampering stands.

There is going to be some major fall out over this.

[G_Man]

Match is now forfeited, awarded to England

Decision on ball tampering stands.

There is going to be some major fall out over this.

Why is there? It's no different to diving for a penalty and getting booked.
The Pakistani's couldn't tolerate an umpire's decision, they failed to take the field, they forfeited the match.

They're behaving like little kids who take their bat and ball home because a decision went against them.

[Charlie_B]

can somebosy e[lain to me how id pakistan are accused of tampering they get a 5run penalty?

what kind of penalty is tat ffs? jesus chirsit. hardly encouraging the pakistanis to be mor sportsmanlike if indeed they scheated

[G_Man]

Well that's the rules Charlie, a 5 run penalty and change of ball. Obviously the match referee would review the incident later and possibly impose a harsher penalty.

[saveferris]

What a stupid comment that is.

I'm sorry but he is an umpire not a politician. If he thinks the ball has been illegally tampered with, and if you saw the incident you will have seen he inspected the ball with his fellow umpire, then he is perfectly in his rights to award England 5 runs and change the ball.

THAT IS IN THE RULES OF THE GAME. If he didn't have proof, he wouldn't ****ing do it would he? What difference does 5 runs make? It's like saying, unless the ref has proof that Steven Gerrard was fouled yesterday then he should resign.

Bottom line is, the Pakistani team was caught tampering with the ball. They're cheats and the ICC should punish them.

and your last line messes up your whole argument, give me the exact example where the Pakistani's were caught cheating i dont mean the implication made by the umpires decision, i mean the player, the over, the score at the time??

He should resign on the basis of making a decision with no proof...his decision implies that Pakistan were cheating, which contrary to your claim, they have not been caught doing.

If he did have proof then where is it?? This could have been sorted out hours ago, but no 4 sets of groups spend hours in a room having a discussion

Its nothing like Gerrard's incident, the ref yesterday had a split second to make a decision. Darrel Hair had plenty of time not only to change the ball, if he felt it had been tampered with, but also to call a warning to the fiielding team if he feels they were tampering with the condition of the ball. He had the best part of 15 mins, considering there was nothing wrong with it 15 mins earlier when he had it.

Please dont use capitals, its condescending, i know what the rules of cricket are and I understand the reasoning behind why runs were given to England.

Are you saying that if you were a captain of a team and someone accuses you of cheatng when it isnt the case you would accept it and do nothing?? I reckon if it was England staging their protest then England fans would have said the same thing.

Dont get me wrong, if the Pakistani's are found guilty throw the book at them, but dont get on your high horse and talk about proof when there currently isnt any.

[rubyred]

Why is there? It's no different to diving for a penalty and getting booked.
The Pakistani's couldn't tolerate an umpire's decision, they failed to take the field, they forfeited the match.

They're behaving like little kids who take their bat and ball home because a decision went against them.

I think it's different for several reasons. When a footballer is booked for diving, they have been seen commiting the offence, not only by the referee and/or the linesman, but also by any tv cameras which were there.

This is not the case here.

Firstly, no one saw any of the Pakistan team trying to or actually causing any damage to the ball.
With all the cameras around the ground, which follow the players with the ball all the time, not one shot has been found which indicates the players tried to tamper with the ball.

None of the commentators at the ground saw anything which suggested the ball was being tampered with.

After the dismissal of an English player (can't remember his name) the umpire had the ball in his hands for several minutes waiting for the next player to take the field and gave no indication that he was concened about its condition. He did not call the Pakistan captain over to discuss his concerns, he did not call the second umpire over to examine the ball. In fact he did nothing at all to suggest there was any problem, he let play continue.

At no time did he mention to the Pakistan captain there was a problem, nor did he identify any player as being responsible for causing the damage.

After a while he then examined the ball, decided it had been tampered with, awarded England 5 runs, and effectively labelled the Pakistan side cheats, without any evidence to back it up.

It must be remembered that these balls get hot all over the ground, landing on rooves, into the stands etc, and get damages normally.

There is a history between Pakistan and Hare, as they have complained about his performances in the past.

It all just sounds a bit suss to me.

[G_Man]

What? The ball is the proof mate, that's why both umpires (not just D. Hare) reviewed it before the decision was made. 2 independant umpires came to an agreement. If that is not proof enough for you then I guess you will never be satisfied.

The reason for the long meetings wasn't the fact that the Pakistan team were caught tampering with the ball, the reason for the long meeting was that they refused to accept an umpires decision. It's the ultimate in bad sportsmanship. The umpire's decision is final. Would 5 runs really have changed the course of the game? The answer is most probably not, the reason the Pakistan team could accept the decision is that they were forced to change the ball for one which hadn't been tampered with.

2 independant umpires reaching an agreement over the state of a ball is enough proof for me and I'm sure it will be enough for the ICC too.

[G_Man]

Why would 2 independant umpires have it in for Pakistan? Please tell me because I can't work that out.
These are international umpires, they've seen quite a few balls whacked around quite a few different grounds, they know when something is not right purely on experience.

Evidence? The ball itself is the evidence, what more evidence do you need?

[Charlie_B]

i havent seen it, but have heard the whole thing is quite confusing

saying that most things are confusing right now.....