Christine Ohuruogu

[bigfooty]

As I understand it she passed tests, both in competition and out, but because she missed 3 in a certain period that automatically meant a suspension.

[Warren]

Ha Ha

She's never passed one you mean.

Its normally a good idea to actually know what you are talking about first chaps.

[Warren]

She "did a Rio", 3 times
A disgrace to athletics.

So just let me get this right, my statement that she'd never failed a drug test was totally correct? Yet you give it I'm not sure I understand.

[AFII]

She also said that if the British Athletic Authority didn't absolve her and give her a clean record she would **** off and represent another country.

Nigeria.

[AFII]

Had it happened once I would have given her the benefit of the doubt, but 3 times. Surely after the first time if you're a professional athlete you move heaven and earth to ensure you don't make the same mistake twice. It's a career ending "mistake". I think anyone who makes a mistake in their career, if they're told "don't do that again it could finish you" then you make damn sure you comply.
For it to happen twice is bad enough. 3 times is unforgivable. I think she deserves the criticism as do the idiot officials who let her compete.

You can't only go on competition test results. There are some substances that you won't discover if you do the test a week or so after the athlete have taken it. That's why they do out of competition tests.

[Pacman]

Its normally a good idea to actually know what you are talking about first chaps.

So just let me get this right, my statement that she'd never failed a drug test was totally correct? Yet you give it I'm not sure I understand.

Splitting hairs mate.

[Warren]

Splitting hairs mate.

Not at all, AnfieldDan called her a cheating little druggie and you agreed, since she has never failed a drug test you have no proof that she is a druggie at all. Then RedChilli decides I'm for pointing out that she hasn't ever failed a drug test.
If any of you 3 read what DWW had written then you may understand how drug testing works in athletics instead of talking ****e about things you know very little about.

Also splitting hairs means to argue a trivial aspect of an issue to say you can't call someone a druggie as missing tests isn't proof of cheating isn't splitting hairs.

[AFII]

missing tests isn't proof of cheating

It's proof of cheating. They wouldn't have been able to ban her in the first place if that wasn't the case. So in legal terms it's proof of cheating.

[Warren]

It's proof of cheating. They wouldn't have been able to ban her in the first place if that wasn't the case. So in legal terms it's proof of cheating.

"Under the rules, athletes have to inform the drug-testing authorities where they will be for one hour, five days out of seven each week. Three missed tests constitutes a suspension."


it's proof that she missed tests that she was obliged to take and she missed 3 tests so got banned it isn't proof that she cheated or took drugs....is that so difficult to understand?

[Pacman]

Not at all, AnfieldDan called her a cheating little druggie and you agreed, since she has never failed a drug test you have no proof that she is a druggie at all. Then RedChilli decides I'm for pointing out that she hasn't ever failed a drug test.
If any of you 3 read what DWW had written then you may understand how drug testing works in athletics instead of talking ****e about things you know very little about.

Also splitting hairs means to argue a trivial aspect of an issue to say you can't call someone a druggie as missing tests isn't proof of cheating isn't splitting hairs.

How do we know she's not a druggie?

She failed to tell her testers where to find her 3 times? Once you could put down to being a little daft but 3 times? Either she is extremely thick and has very bad advisors or she had something to hide. With all the drug taking going on in athletics these days I'm sorry it's just not acceptable and she should be banned.

I'm entitled to my opinion and something is very suspicious about this case and now she is bleating on about wanting to have her ban lifted so she can compete in the Olympics?

[Warren]

How do we know she's not a druggie?

She failed to tell her testers where to find her 3 times? Once you could put down to being a little daft but 3 times? Either she is extremely thick and has very bad advisors or she had something to hide. With all the drug taking going on in athletics these days I'm sorry it's just not acceptable and she should be banned.

I'm entitled to my opinion and something is very suspicious about this case and now she is bleating on about wanting to have her ban lifted so she can compete in the Olympics?

I think you may have misunderstood what I've written, I've not once said she was innocent as I don't know as you don't know that she is guilty, I was merely pointing out that she has never failed a test. Thats an irrefutable fact.

How do we know she is a druggie? Just think for a minute that maybe she is innocent.

She has been banned according to the rules and is now back in competition and will be subject to constant testing. Surely if people accuse her of being a cheat and a druggie sheshould be entitled to try to clear her name, hardly bleating is it?
As an athelete she would obviously want to compete at the highest level and that is the olympics, why wouldn't she try to race for another country if that gives her the opportunity to do so.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Remember she has never failed a drugs test which are very stringent and adminstered after every race and the tests she did miss were months apart (1 in Oct 05 and 2 in June 06)

[Pacman]

I think you may have misunderstood what I've written, I've not once said she was innocent as I don't know as you don't know that she is guilty, I was merely pointing out that she has never failed a test. Thats an irrefutable fact.

How do we know she is a druggie? Just think for a minute that maybe she is innocent.

She has been banned according to the rules and is now back in competition and will be subject to constant testing. Surely if people accuse her of being a cheat and a druggie sheshould be entitled to try to clear her name, hardly bleating is it?
As an athelete she would obviously want to compete at the highest level and that is the olympics, why wouldn't she try to race for another country if that gives her the opportunity to do so.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Remember she has never failed a drugs test which are very stringent and adminstered after every race and the tests she did miss were months apart (1 in Oct 05 and 2 in June 06)

We will agree to disagree then

I think with everything going on in athletics at the minute lots of people will be very suspicious of this girl.

[Warren]

We will agree to disagree then

I think with everything going on in athletics at the minute lots of people will be very suspicious of this girl.

Druggie

[Pacman]

Druggie

:bird:

[Neil Young]

It's not as black and white as some seem to think. What I've heard of her public statements since winning the medal do sound suspiciously like those given by some cyclists - 'non-denial' denials, evasive, pointing to the faults of others rather than discussing her own situation, etc. However, that response isn't evidence of anything since it may simply be the result of months or years of argument over the case that we have not really followed very closely.

There is a moral difference between missing a test and failing one - it is simply that from a disciplinary point of view they are deemed to be (much) the same. So it's all very well getting hot and bothered about people like this woman who are caught up in (as opposed to 'by', since there is no moral equivalence between missing tests and cheating) the rules imposed by a reasonably stringent drug testing policy but I am constantly surprised about how little is said about the failures of drug testing in other sports, particularly football.