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    Is Murali the greatest test bowler ever?

    Now he has the word record for most wickets in test matches, eclipsing Shane Warnes record in 29 fewer matches than Warne.

    But is he the greatest, or given his very 'unorthodox' action should he even have been allowed to bowl?

    I must admit I think his action is dodgy but he has been cleared by the ICC to play so they must have been satisfied with the reasons for this unorthodox action.

    Despite all the question marks he has an incredible record and is still going strong, so he has my grudging respect.

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    no, if thats not chucking the ball then i dont know what is.

    He seems anice fella though, when hes not chucking it
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      I respect him for what he has achieved, but i still rate Warne higher.

      Muralitharan has taken a lot of his wickets against teams like Bangladesh, on sub-continent pitches which are prepared perfectly for him.

      Warne is just that extra bit special IMO, he took wickets eveywhere regardless, he could spin a ball on water, that's how good he is. He had the ability to change tests, not that Murali doesn't, but when his team was struggling Warne always came through.

      Warne is the greatest test bowler ever IMO.

      Although, since i am only 17 i haven't seen a lot of the other top wicket takers like Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh etc.
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        #4
        He's got more wickets than Warne in fewer matches.

        Clearly a better bowler than Warne.
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          #5
          Originally posted by ningnangnong View Post
          I respect him for what he has achieved, but i still rate Warne higher.

          Muralitharan has taken a lot of his wickets against teams like Bangladesh, on sub-continent pitches which are prepared perfectly for him.

          Warne is just that extra bit special IMO, he took wickets eveywhere regardless, he could spin a ball on water, that's how good he is. He had the ability to change tests, not that Murali doesn't, but when his team was struggling Warne always came through.

          Warne is the greatest test bowler ever IMO.

          Although, since i am only 17 i haven't seen a lot of the other top wicket takers like Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh etc.


          Murali is a better bowler, better strike rate, more wickets, better average all in less games.

          As Warne said yesterday i wouldn't be suprised if he got 1000 wickets.

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            #6
            The ICC changed the rules to accomadate Murali's action. He claims (and I have no reason to disoute it) that he has a fixed flexion deformity of his right elbow and cannot straighten it beyond 10 degrees.
            This allows his to spin the ball in the way that he does. In years gone by, that was throwing, now you are allowed a bent arm of upto 15 degress as long as you don't straighten it during delivery.
            He wouldn't be able to spin it the way that he does if he had a straight elbow, that's a fact. No off spinner has come close to replicating his achievements, past or present. Only Jim Laker had any Test records as an off spinner and he played on uncovered pitches.

            He's a great "bowler" in so much as he can spin it accurately and land it consistently on the spot ball after ball. He doesn't have the variety that Warne had and he doesn't have the same personality IMO. Warne was also a decent batsman and a bloody good fielder, 2 things which Murali isn't.

            Overall I'd rate Warne (through gritted teeth) higher than Murali. Warne at his peak destroyed careers with his variation in flight, pace and spin.
            Add to that the fact he was clearly a better cricketer and he shades it.
            The fact that Murali wouldn't have been allowed to bowl 20 years ago is also something to consider.
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              #7
              Yes. Yes he is.

              Cue all the bitter Australians and English calling him a chucker

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                #8
                Much better spinner than Warne.

                Funny thing is its only the Aussies who ever complain about his action. Aussies who work at the ICC especially

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by -V- View Post
                    Much better spinner than Warne.

                    Funny thing is its only the Aussies who ever complain about his action. Aussies who work at the ICC especially
                    I'm not an aussie and I complain about his action. I suppose I'm a purist who understood and appreciated the reason for the rules to be the way they were.

                    As for bitter England fans complaining about him, well why would I be championing Shane Warne as an england fan if he didn't deserve it? I hated what he did to our team and yes, I was bitter as hell, but he is a much better bowler than Murali.
                    How can you say Murali is a better spinner than Warne? Warne had a devastating leg break which could knock virtually any batsman in the world over, but he also had a flipper which pretty much ended Robin Smith career (who was one of the best in the world at the time) and he had the googly.
                    Murali has the straight ball and the off break. His skill comes in variations in pace,flight and spin speed.
                    Both at their peak, I'd rather face Murali thank you very much.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Harveybirdman View Post
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                        Much as I hate to admit it, and I really do, he was the best bowler and easily a better cricketer than Murali.
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                          #13
                          Warne is the better talent in my opinion, the amount of turn he generated was unbelievable. The fact that he stood out amongst the calibre of players that Australia have had over his career adds further credibility to his claim. He performed consistently well home and away and few batsmen ever got the better of him (except Sach!).

                          Murali shouldn't be discounted altogether - he has achieved a phenomenal amount in a shorter timespan in a decent (but not great) team. He's a role model in an area of the world which needs them and always plays the game with a smile on his face. Even if people slate him for being a chucker - surely he deserves credit for hoodwinking the world for this long!

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                            #14
                            They are very difficult to separate, but I would have to say that despite my allegiance to the sub-continent I would rather have Shane Warne in my team.
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                              #15
                              greatest bowler-no, greater chucker-yes. Thats a bit harsh I suppose. Warne took his wickets consistently against the best. Missed a reasonable amount of time due to injury and suspension. Murali has got lots and lots of 'cheap' wickets against the likes and Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Warney also had a certain G. McGrath in the same side who took a small matter of 500+ test wickets
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