The Wrestling Thread

[Alex]

Thank god for the Guns and Beer Money. The best tag wrestling in a decade or more imo, they are all just ****ing great.

The only good thing about impact i totally agree.

Surly it must tell there management that people want new and fresh match-ups and teams/people.

Not the same **** from 15,10 and then 5 years ago.

ECW died 10 years back, don't resurrect it.

Same with Flair and the like (Not hogan surprisingly) they need to stop wrestling.

Hogan, if he keeps out of the ring could be an asset. They just dont use him right.

[Bender]

Don't watch wwe anymore .......TNA is at least more enjoyable to watch

[MrShawnMichaels]

Don't watch wwe anymore .......TNA is at least more enjoyable to watch

Are you winding me up?

Even MrMichael would agree that half or at least three quarters of it makes no sense, none whatsoever. It's bordering on WCW in 2001 with the booking and production.

[MrShawnMichaels]

The only good thing about impact i totally agree.

Surly it must tell there management that people want new and fresh match-ups and teams/people.

Not the same **** from 15,10 and then 5 years ago.

ECW died 10 years back, don't resurrect it.

Same with Flair and the like (Not hogan surprisingly) they need to stop wrestling.

Hogan, if he keeps out of the ring could be an asset. They just dont use him right.

NO, we want to see a broken Kevin Nash talk nonsense with Jeff Jarrett for 10 minutes. We want to see Flair with one sock and shoe beat Jay Lethal with blood pouring down his face. We want to see Dixy Carter on TV without any emotion or relevance to the show.

(btw, I was being satirical)

[MrShawnMichaels]

I've given up.

Keane v Mysterio for the 8 millionth time then (probably) Kane v Taker for the 6 millionth time. I've put some text in white in case somebody cant see this incredibly unpredictable twist coming (although now I've said that it will turn out to be Taker v Bourne or something equally stupid).

I haven't watched RAW for months but Cena is still in the main event and that doesn't interest me in the slightest.

I think the Nexus storyline has been refreshing. They've booked strongly going into Summerslam which is hardly surprising given they are sandwiched between two UFC events coming up. RAW's not been spectacular but it's been a by the numbers, safe, coherent show. There hasn't been stellar matches on the show but they've done well in promoting the main events and strongly putting over Sheamus, who looks mightily excellent doing promos especially, Nexus with Barrett standing out and Kane too, although his wrestling ability lacks to really deliver a quality match.

[MrMichael]

Are you winding me up?

Even MrMichael would agree that half or at least three quarters of it makes no sense, none whatsoever. It's bordering on WCW in 2001 with the booking and production.

Indeed, quite a lot of it is pretty nonsensical. That doesn't necessarily make it unwatchable though, its pretty different from the standard wwe fare in that feuds don't go on for 6 months and lots of different, random things go on, but it does get frustrating as it really could be very good with some sane booking, instead its just, well, random.

NO, we want to see a broken Kevin Nash talk nonsense with Jeff Jarrett for 10 minutes. We want to see Flair with one sock and shoe beat Jay Lethal with blood pouring down his face. We want to see Dixy Carter on TV without any emotion or relevance to the show.

(btw, I was being satirical)

Nah, lets see a midget and a giant who can't move go over instead TNA does lots of stupid things, the stuff above being some of it, but they haven't had anyone give birth to a hand yet, get crucified, or get fired for doing what they were told to. Often it is horrible, that is true, but then in between that you get Sabin, Shelley, Storm and Roode tearing the house down. A bit of balance man, come on, they've a lot of talent there that wouldn't get a break with their competition and does sometimes, despite what holds it back, put on some great in-ring action that isn't just the same set of 3 moves repeated over and over.

I think the Nexus storyline has been refreshing. They've booked strongly going into Summerslam which is hardly surprising given they are sandwiched between two UFC events coming up. RAW's not been spectacular but it's been a by the numbers, safe, coherent show. There hasn't been stellar matches on the show but they've done well in promoting the main events and strongly putting over Sheamus, who looks mightily excellent doing promos especially, Nexus with Barrett standing out and Kane too, although his wrestling ability lacks to really deliver a quality match.

I found the thing with Nexus going over the Raw roster 7-0 a bit embarassing though, I mean you had the "unified" tag champs in that match etc. Ok I know Nexus had to come over strong but I found it a bit silly in kayfabe terms. I still don't think they quite know where they are going with this storyline. Barrett will be a star though. Seumas has grown on me, but the Kane thing, well, I dunno, does anyone really want to see him & Taker again?

[refugee]

I think the Nexus storyline has been refreshing. They've booked strongly going into Summerslam which is hardly surprising given they are sandwiched between two UFC events coming up. RAW's not been spectacular but it's been a by the numbers, safe, coherent show. There hasn't been stellar matches on the show but they've done well in promoting the main events and strongly putting over Sheamus, who looks mightily excellent doing promos especially, Nexus with Barrett standing out and Kane too, although his wrestling ability lacks to really deliver a quality match.

I'm fed up with guys that can't wrestle being pushed to the top without even having a chance to build a move set or character. What ever happened to slow builds?
- Sheamus went straight to the title, twice
- Nexus straight into a feud with Cena
- McIntyre has been rammed down our throats right from the start (tbf at least he fought for the intercontinental title first)

I understand that they need to build new stars but they need to make give them a chance to get over first before giving them the world. How many rookies have been pushed that heavily and got over because I can only think of two
Lesner - who was amazing, and had Paul Hayman
Angle - who may be the best ever (and at least he had the decency to work his way up through the belts)

I don't mind Kane having a (farewell?) Title run, but the Mysterio feud has been done to death, not too mention that Mysterio is as believable a threat as Lucas is as believable a footballer. Taker disappearing and coming back to seek vengeance, is also a bit overused, not to mention the Taker/Kane feud.

I going to stop before this rant gets more disjointed.

[MrShawnMichaels]

Indeed, quite a lot of it is pretty nonsensical. That doesn't necessarily make it unwatchable though, its pretty different from the standard wwe fare in that feuds don't go on for 6 months and lots of different, random things go on, but it does get frustrating as it really could be very good with some sane booking, instead its just, well, random.

Being random is a good thing? I'd rather have longer feuds to help build characters.

Nah, lets see a midget and a giant who can't move go over instead TNA does lots of stupid things, the stuff above being some of it, but they haven't had anyone give birth to a hand yet, get crucified, or get fired for doing what they were told to. Often it is horrible, that is true, but then in between that you get Sabin, Shelley, Storm and Roode tearing the house down. A bit of balance man, come on, they've a lot of talent there that wouldn't get a break with their competition and does sometimes, despite what holds it back, put on some great in-ring action that isn't just the same set of 3 moves repeated over and over.

There is no point in having good wrestling when there is awful storytelling. It just makes the product look like a sham. I'm sure we have discussed this before.

I found the thing with Nexus going over the Raw roster 7-0 a bit embarassing though, I mean you had the "unified" tag champs in that match etc. Ok I know Nexus had to come over strong but I found it a bit silly in kayfabe terms. I still don't think they quite know where they are going with this storyline. Barrett will be a star though. Seumas has grown on me, but the Kane thing, well, I dunno, does anyone really want to see him & Taker again?

Nexus have to look strong going into Summerslam. We know a lot about the Raw team and their infighting adds something different going into Summerslam. I think they will look to end it around Survivor Series which makes sense. A long storyline is BUYS as long there is long term planning.

I didn't like Kane v Taker the first time, never mind in 2010!

[Bender]

Are you winding me up?

Even MrMichael would agree that half or at least three quarters of it makes no sense, none whatsoever. It's bordering on WCW in 2001 with the booking and production.

whats good about wwe ? same old same old ...........embarrassing story lines .......Taker being in a vegative state i mean wtf almost as good as Bobby ewing in the shower scene....at least the wrestling is watchable in tna ...........and last time i watched wwe they were doing some sort of fitness comp v the clock reminded me of Superstars on the bbc from the 1980's

[MrShawnMichaels]

I'm fed up with guys that can't wrestle being pushed to the top without even having a chance to build a move set or character. What ever happened to slow builds?
- Sheamus went straight to the title, twice
- Nexus straight into a feud with Cena
- McIntyre has been rammed down our throats right from the start (tbf at least he fought for the intercontinental title first)

I understand that they need to build new stars but they need to make give them a chance to get over first before giving them the world. How many rookies have been pushed that heavily and got over because I can only think of two
Lesner - who was amazing, and had Paul Hayman
Angle - who may be the best ever (and at least he had the decency to work his way up through the belts)

I don't mind Kane having a (farewell?) Title run, but the Mysterio feud has been done to death, not too mention that Mysterio is as believable a threat as Lucas is as believable a footballer. Taker disappearing and coming back to seek vengeance, is also a bit overused, not to mention the Taker/Kane feud.

I going to stop before this rant gets more disjointed.

With WWE desperately lacking heels, they had to push Sheamus and he definitely looks the part. Yes, he may not be a technician but his promos and his moves as a heel are ideal to make him go over with the fans.

The Nexus storyline has been the best storyline for the WWE in ages. There is still plenty to go in this storyline, like the man behind the bigger picture, which makes for intriguing viewing.

A heel being rammed down our throats is better than a face being rammed down our throats. As a result, fans hate McIntyre - making business for the WWE.

That's exactly the problem with the WWE. If you look at the last four years or so, it's the same guys challenging for the WWE. It's refreshing to see The Miz, Swagger, Sheamus now in the title picture.

As mentioned above, in 2010, no one cares about Kane vs Undertaker. It's been done to death. I'd like a good swerve like Christian but it's unlikely.

[MrShawnMichaels]

whats good about wwe ? same old same old ...........embarrassing story lines .......Taker being in a vegative state i mean wtf almost as good as Bobby ewing in the shower scene....at least the wrestling is watchable in tna ...........and last time i watched wwe they were doing some sort of fitness comp v the clock reminded me of Superstars on the bbc from the 1980's

You mention embarrassing story lines with a straight face when defending TNA? Mr Michael has said, the MCMG v Beer Money is the only saving grace on Impact. The rest is god awful. Having 8,000 PPV buys in the past four months tells you everything compared to WWE's 200,000+ PPV buys throughout the year, not to mention Wrestlemania which got around 1,000,000 buys. If this EV2.0 Hardcore Justice PPV (lol) does better than the TNA PPVs, which it probably will, it tells you **** load about TNA. If a PPV which has a nostalgic theme and died 10 YEARS AGO can draw more than wrestling today, thats a massive indictment of how **** TNA is.

[Bender]

You mention embarrassing story lines with a straight face when defending TNA? Mr Michael has said, the MCMG v Beer Money is the only saving grace on Impact. The rest is god awful. Having 8,000 PPV buys in the past four months tells you everything compared to WWE's 200,000+ PPV buys throughout the year, not to mention Wrestlemania which got around 1,000,000 buys. If this EV2.0 Hardcore Justice PPV (lol) does better than the TNA PPVs, which it probably will, it tells you **** load about TNA. If a PPV which has a nostalgic theme and died 10 YEARS AGO can draw more than wrestling today, thats a massive indictment of how **** TNA is.

Not a hardcore fan of either ....so all i can really say is i stopped watching wwe as i don't have sky sports anymore and watch tna every other week and it's ok ...obviously not an expert or a hardcore fan like yourself.....so i can't enter into too much of a discussion

[refugee]

With WWE desperately lacking heels, they had to push Sheamus and he definitely looks the part. Yes, he may not be a technician but his promos and his moves as a heel are ideal to make him go over with the fans.

What? They had to push Sheamus, a man that had just debuted?

There is an endless amount of people they could have pushed instead, even Mark Henry was over at that time. Christian could easily have filled that void as either a face or a heal. MVP?

The Nexus storyline has been the best storyline for the WWE in ages. There is still plenty to go in this storyline, like the man behind the bigger picture, which makes for intriguing viewing.

I agree with Mr M, 7 rookies squashing 7 long serving stars including the tag team champions is stupid. The higher power has been done before and failed miserably.

The Story may be the best in ages but it is highly unlikely we are going to get any good matches from it because most of the rookies only know the basic wwe training camp moveset (not to mention that Cena is involved). Maybe if Bryan Danielson had stayed I might have been more interested...

A heel being rammed down our throats is better than a face being rammed down our throats. As a result, fans hate McIntyre - making business for the WWE.

Sometimes this is correct, but there are endless heels that have been shoved down our throats that have bombed spectacularly i.e. Heidenreich, Kozlov, Chris Masters. Knox But the difference is that they were put straight into the main event without having had to gain any credibility,

[MrShawnMichaels]

What? They had to push Sheamus, a man that had just debuted?

There is an endless amount of people they could have pushed instead, even Mark Henry was over at that time. Christian could easily have filled that void as either a face or a heal. MVP?

They've pushed Sheamus and it's clearly worked. He's one of the biggest heels in the company. I don't think you could complain.

I agree with Mr M, 7 rookies squashing 7 long serving stars including the tag team champions is stupid. The higher power has been done before and failed miserably.

The Story may be the best in ages but it is highly unlikely we are going to get any good matches from it because most of the rookies only know the basic wwe training camp moveset (not to mention that Cena is involved). Maybe if Bryan Danielson had stayed I might have been more interested...

They need to make the Nexus look like a credible and dangerous team. By annihilating established Superstars, they look like a real threat against the Raw team going to Summerslam. Imagine had it been Jerry Lawler vs David Otunga fighting it out. Who could take the Nexus serious going into Summerslam? You have to make the heels, who haven't been on TV much, look a threat to build anticipation and eventually PPV buys. Does it hurt the Hart Dynasty that the Nexus went clean over them? Not really. Likewise the rest of the team.

Sometimes this is correct, but there are endless heels that have been shoved down our throats that have bombed spectacularly i.e. Heidenreich, Kozlov, Chris Masters. Knox But the difference is that they were put straight into the main event without having had to gain any credibility,

Has McIntyre bombed? No. He again is one of the biggest heels in the company, forget Smackdown. The people you have mentioned above can't talk nor wrestle. At least McIntyre has some wrestling skill and can be a real prick on the mic. His push is fully justifiable.

[Bender]

Beer money v The Motor City Machine Guns Fantastic match/fight