Mclaren Belgian GP Appeal

[Mike]

Do you think it will be successful, in other words will Hamilton get his win back?

I hope so, sheer robbery; if Massa did not get penalised for what happened last week them wtf is up with what Lewis did?

Rant over.

[mersey86]

Gut feeling - no, it won't be successful.

[Mike]

Feel the same way, but that does not mean i support the decision.

F1 board love Ferrari, simple.

[Joe King]

Nope.

Not in a million years.

[Gaz]

I don't see why not, the three stewards who made the decision are only part time officials, senior officials such as race director Charlie Whiting have said the move was perfectly legal as Hamilton relinquished the lead, all be it ever so slightly, and the race result should have stood.

[Vermilion]

I don't see why not, the three stewards who made the decision are only part time officials, senior officials such as race director Charlie Whiting have said the move was perfectly legal as Hamilton relinquished the lead, all be it ever so slightly, and the race result should have stood.

Also during the race, immediately after the incident Mclaren asked and were told by the 'Race Stewards' that Hamilton HAD relinquished the lead and the move was legal....twice they asked, twice they were told it was legal, they did everything right, Hamilton could have relinquished the lead again had they said the 1st move wasn't legal, and Mclaren were prepared for this had the answer to their question of Race Stewards been negative. so typical this of F1.

[IrishRed7]

Also during the race, immediately after the incident Mclaren asked and were told by the 'Race Stewards' that Hamilton HAD relinquished the lead and the move was legal....twice they asked, twice they were told it was legal, they did everything right, so typical this of F1.

Charlie Whiting was the race director who was asked during the race, unfortuneately any opinion given by therace director remains just that, an opinion pending any investigation by the stewards.

There's no denying he was robbed, but the whole appeal hinges on whether the court of arbitration for motorsport agrees to hear the appeal at all. Technically Lewis was given a retrospective drive through penalty (25 secs being the estimated time it would have cost him) as he couldn't serve a drive-through during the race once the "offence" occured in the last 3 laps. There is no scope in the regulations for appealing a drive-through penalty. IMO, the exact reason why Ferrari International Assistance chose this method to penalise Lewis in the first place!

[Vermilion]

Charlie Whiting was the race director who was asked during the race, unfortuneately any opinion given by therace director remains just that, an opinion pending any investigation by the stewards.

There's no denying he was robbed, but the whole appeal hinges on whether the court of arbitration for motorsport agrees to hear the appeal at all. Technically Lewis was given a retrospective drive through penalty (25 secs being the estimated time it would have cost him) as he couldn't serve a drive-through during the race once the "offence" occured in the last 3 laps. There is no scope in the regulations for appealing a drive-through penalty. IMO, the exact reason why Ferrari International Assistance chose this method to penalise Lewis in the first place!

Aye, sounds about right, so unjust.

[Sconniee2]

Unfortunately F1 is now a complete joke of sport and the this recent incident is an excellent example.

What exactly is Charlie Whitings role? Why is his advice sought? Why not go directly to the stewards for an immediate ruling instead - this would have given Hamilton the opportunity to adjust his position accordingly and at worst - come away with 8 points not the 6 points he will now get.

It wasn't as if he deliberately crashed into a rival to win the world championship now is it?

[IrishRed7]

Unfortunately F1 is now a complete joke of sport and the this recent incident is an excellent example.

What exactly is Charlie Whitings role? Why is his advice sought? Why not go directly to the stewards for an immediate ruling instead - this would have given Hamilton the opportunity to adjust his position accordingly and at worst - come away with 8 points not the 6 points he will now get.

It wasn't as if he deliberately crashed into a rival to win the world championship now is it?

From F1 Official Website:
During a Grand Prix weekend, race control lies at the very heart of Formula One, responsible for monitoring and supervising all stages of the practice, qualifying and race sessions.

Facilities vary between different circuits, but all will have several key features essential to allowing the FIA Race Director and his staff to make the right decisions to keep things safe, legal and to schedule.

Screens will provide images from every part of the circuit with a dedicated Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) system. This enables the location of problems to be detected quickly - and the appropriate action taken.

Timing data will also be provided with the same information feed given to the teams (and similar to the information available on Formula1.com’s 'Live Timing' section during race sessions). However, in addition the Race Director will have access to a plethora of additional information, such as the pit lane speed trap, allowing him to ensure that all sessions are run safely and within the regulations.

There is also telephone and radio contact with the principal marshals' posts, safety car, medical response car and the medical centre, so that in the event of any major problem the Race Director can remain in full contact with the relevant people. It is the responsibility of Race Control to order the deployment of the safety car when necessary and - equally importantly - to bring it back in at the right time.

The Race Director will be assisted by other FIA personnel, and also staff from the local circuit itself. A vital part of the race control’s responsibility is that of disciplining drivers who have transgressed rules or broken the sporting code that governs racing. The most common penalty is the 'drive-through' that is often given for speeding in the pit lane (a driver will have to make another trip through the pit lane without stopping).

For more complicated disciplinary issues, such as who was to blame in an accident or for contact between cars, incidents are now assessed at the conclusion of the race, rather than during it, as this gives teams a chance to defend their driver’s conduct. In the event of a very serious incident - or if track conditions become dangerous (for example, due to very heavy rain) - the race director is also responsible for deciding if the race should be stopped.

It is a tribute to the unruffled professionalism typical of the men and women who staff Race Control at Grands Prix that races typically progress as smoothly as they do - and problems are pounced upon and contained very quickly.


The 'other FIA personnel' referred to are the race stewards who adjudicate on disciplinary issues. Charlie Whiting doesn't have the final say on any penalties, however he can recommend a penalty to the stewards

[Sconniee2]

F1 like football is not a start stop game like American Football, Baseball or to a certain extent cricket.

It is dynamic and freeflowing.

Therefore although what you have said may be in the rulebook - it is a nonsense. To consistently penalise after the race is over, is akin to awarding penalties (or taking them away) after the game has finished. It does not make any sense.

That is why you need officials there in the team pit lanes giving instant decisions.

[sambirken]

funny stuff. massive long trial thing, then after all this...

Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are 'not susceptible to appeal'," the FIA said in a statement.

farce

[krade]

Its just Ferrari using the FIA to get back at Mclaren for getting caught nicking some of thier ideas, Not that Ferrari wouldnbt and didnt do the same thing but never got caught.

Personally to me it seems that each year it gets a bit more blatant that the FIA is bending rules and being pedantic to make sure Ferrari win the world Cahmpionship again especially at the expense of Mclaren.