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    World Cup Track Cycling

    More brilliant performances from the British riders in Manchester.

    Eleven gold medals from the thirteen events of the first two days of competition, including winning all six events today.

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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      I wasn't expecting any interest but with the amount of publicity Lewis Hamilton and others get (zzzzzzzzzzz) I thought I'd just try to redress the balance.
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      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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        Final results:

        British riders win 14 golds in 17 events. There was also one event which wasn't a world cup race - inevitably a British rider won it.

        And Chris Hoy didn't even compete.

        Meanwhile Hamilton and McLaren (fined £49.2m for spying only last year) get all the hype in the British media.
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        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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          Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
          Final results:

          British riders win 14 golds in 17 events. There was also one event which wasn't a world cup race - inevitably a British rider won it.

          And Chris Hoy didn't even compete.

          Meanwhile Hamilton and McLaren (fined £49.2m for spying only last year) get all the hype in the British media.
          And I presume that all these cyclists actually live in the UK and havent "moved" to avoid paying taxes

          Track cycling is a huge success story for British Sport - What do you think is the reason for their remarkable success?
          "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son"

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            Originally posted by SouthAfricaRed View Post
            And I presume that all these cyclists actually live in the UK and havent "moved" to avoid paying taxes

            Track cycling is a huge success story for British Sport - What do you think is the reason for their remarkable success?
            Good point.

            Of course you have to give the credit to the riders themselves but ultimately it's down to money and management. Money alone doesn't do it - the abysmal Olympics overseen by UK Athletics proves that. Dave Brailsford and the coaches are incredibly impressive.

            Some of the riders haven't done much training since Beijing and most of the winners weren't even the big name riders but in their early twenties or younger. One of the women is 17.

            Six pages in The Times today on Hamilton. One (well, about three-quarters) on the cycling.
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            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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              Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
              Good point.

              Of course you have to give the credit to the riders themselves but ultimately it's down to money and management. Money alone doesn't do it - the abysmal Olympics overseen by UK Athletics proves that. Dave Brailsford and the coaches are incredibly impressive.

              Some of the riders haven't done much training since Beijing and most of the winners weren't even the big name riders but in their early twenties or younger. One of the women is 17.

              Six pages in The Times today on Hamilton. One (well, about three-quarters) on the cycling.
              Whatever they have done, the idea must be used in more sports
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                Originally posted by SouthAfricaRed View Post
                Whatever they have done, the idea must be used in more sports
                If I remember rightly the old head of the cycling training has been made some sort of performance director at UK Athletics or somewhere in the hope that that will work. I do wonder whether there is enough time to implement the sort of comprehensive changes across a number of sports before 2012 but we shall see.
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                  Very impressive news and we currently kick ass at cycling, pity it isn't a "sexy" sport.

                  Victoria Pendleton is not bad though...
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                    Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                    Final results:

                    British riders win 14 golds in 17 events. There was also one event which wasn't a world cup race - inevitably a British rider won it.

                    And Chris Hoy didn't even compete.

                    Meanwhile Hamilton and McLaren (fined £49.2m for spying only last year) get all the hype in the British media.
                    Indeed - it has to be said that F1 is barely even a sport more a glorified ad break anyway. I am glad Hamilton won it but largely as now I won't have to hear anything about it for a good long while.

                    What importance is the world cup given compared to the Olympics? I ask as you say most of our competitors where not our top line stars.

                    Also is this on TV these days?
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                      Originally posted by dww View Post
                      If I remember rightly the old head of the cycling training has been made some sort of performance director at UK Athletics or somewhere in the hope that that will work. I do wonder whether there is enough time to implement the sort of comprehensive changes across a number of sports before 2012 but we shall see.
                      I think you're referring to Peter Keen who IIRC works for UK Sport. He's also got some links to Lucozade I think so I don't know exactly what his position is. He did set up the elite programme at British Cycling so he knows what he's doing and has to take some of the credit for its success.
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                        Originally posted by Neil Young View Post
                        I think you're referring to Peter Keen who IIRC works for UK Sport. He's also got some links to Lucozade I think so I don't know exactly what his position is. He did set up the elite programme at British Cycling so he knows what he's doing and has to take some of the credit for its success.
                        Thats almost certainly it. I have to say I remain baffled by all the people appointed to aid the 2012 effort and all the various related organisations. I mean what does Keen at UK Sport/Lucozade do compared to Sir Clive Woodward as the BOAs director of elite performance?
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                          Originally posted by dww View Post
                          Thats almost certainly it. I have to say I remain baffled by all the people appointed to aid the 2012 effort and all the various related organisations. I mean what does Keen at UK Sport/Lucozade do compared to Sir Clive Woodward as the BOAs director of elite performance?
                          Er, no idea. I know what you mean, from here the structure seems muddled and chaotic.
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                          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                            Any way back to cycling - was the field other than our top cyclists made up of the best in the world? I'm curious to know if these young cyclists are genuinely better than the rest of the world or that post Olympics the competition was simply less fierce. Either way such strength in depth is pretty amazing.
                            "The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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                              Originally posted by dww View Post
                              Any way back to cycling - was the field other than our top cyclists made up of the best in the world? I'm curious to know if these young cyclists are genuinely better than the rest of the world or that post Olympics the competition was simply less fierce. Either way such strength in depth is pretty amazing.
                              I think the competition was of slightly lower standard overall (although it's worth pointing out Pendleton was up against a top Chinese sprinter) and I'm sure many of the riders won't have been at their peak.

                              That applies to the British team too so the young riders coming through are clearly more than a match for those nominally at their level, just like the top riders like Hoy, Wiggins and Pendleton are when compared with their direct competition.

                              To give an example of the strength in depth, the winner of the men's individual pursuit, Ed Clancy, doesn't usually ride that discipline since he's way behind the top two, Wiggins and Thomas.

                              By the way, did I mention I went on Friday? I felt seasick watching them spinning round the track.
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                              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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