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I really don't get why anyone would feel there is any problem with the idea that members of a group who are subject to obvious prejudice in society should feel it is important to come out publicly and hope to help change attitudes. It's not as if the huge numbers of sportsmen coming out is dominating the news.
"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
-- William Blake
I really don't get why anyone would feel there is any problem with the idea that members of a group who are subject to obvious prejudice in society should feel it is important to come out publicly and hope to help change attitudes. It's not as if the huge numbers of sportsmen coming out is dominating the news.
There was an episode of The Simpsons when there was a gay march through springfield. One gay guy shouted at Homer saying "we're gay, get over it", to which Home replied "I already was".
"If Gerrard continues to play up front, leaving this lack of creativity and intelligence in Midfield, the season WILL be over by Xmas."
I still don't think we'll finish in the top 4 this season."
Sure you are , anyone who spells the name Mark with a c and a fullstop surely must be gay
I'm actually working to get that changed!
Sexuality's only place in sport is separating the men from the women, the rest is irrelevant. He was right to hide it away as most men/women do with their marriages.
There was an episode of The Simpsons when there was a gay march through springfield. One gay guy shouted at Homer saying "we're gay, get over it", to which Home replied "I already was".
My mistake, society and sport in particular are totally over the whole homophobia thing now.
Sexuality's only place in sport is separating the men from the women, the rest is irrelevant. He was right to hide it away as most men/women do with their marriages.
One day MrM will make time for you in his bust schedule fixing everyones computer problems
I can see that argument but at the same time I'm not sure that the analogy really holds. Firstly many sports people don't hide their marriages but actively seek publicity and to no end other than self promotion. It is quite possible that the motivation is the same with any homosexual coming out but equally there is a wider context and a potential for the action to benefit others in an indirect way.
"The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
-- William Blake
Here's what my mate Paul Elliott had to say about footballers and being gay
Former Chelsea and Celtic star Paul Elliott goes to war on anti-gay culture
Former Chelsea and Celtic defender Paul Elliott tackled the issue of what has been described as the 'last taboo' in the English game when he spoke at a forum organised by the Kick It Out campaign on the subject of homophobia.
His comments, made at the event hosted by the Football Association on Thursday night, led to reports yesterday that he knew of 12 current top professionals who are gay but were unwilling to come out for fear of the reaction they would receive
Elliott insisted last night that he had been speaking in more general terms about his experiences in the game both at home and abroad, a stance that was accepted by another speaker at the event, gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell.
Irrespective of the fine detail of Elliott's address, it is clear that, courtesy of his role as an advisor to the Equality and Human Rights Commission, he is keen for homophobia to be addressed with the same vigour as stamping out racism in the game.
The subject of homophobia on the terraces has been brought into sharp focus in the wake of the treatment of Portsmouth defender Sol Campbell received from Tottenham fans last month, events which are under investigation by both the Hampshire police and the FA.
'The issue of homophobia needs to be treated with the same level of importance as the subject of racism in football,' said Elliott 'I was talking about my experiences across my career as a whole, both in England and in Italy.
'One or two footballers have come to me to ask for advice over my time in football. Quite simply the next step of action would be to do exactly what Kick It Out has done. It's not re-inventing the wheel.
'The conversations I have had with FA Chairman Lord Triesman have left me very impressed. It is clear he intends to be proactive on the subject of homophobia.'
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