Its why they keep doing it.
Ban the whole team for a few years and then see if the ******s cheat.
Ban the whole team for a few years and then see if the ******s cheat.
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"When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah
"looking through your posts since 2007 and what you have consistently written about my football team I have come to the conclusion that if you had 1 more brain cell you would be a plant .. your father was a hamster and your mother smells of elder berries, I fart in your general direction ..." Nicey
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The no ball could resulted in Broad or whoever being caught - which has an effect on the result. It is cheating. Cheating fans, opposition, team mates (the innocent ones).Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’Comment
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Precedent already exists
On 11 October, Cronje was banned from playing or coaching cricket for life.[28] He challenged his life ban in September 2001 but on 17 October 2001, his application was dismissedI make no apologies, this is meComment
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I agree - he is young enough to deserve a second chance. He needs to have a serious punishment though and have a suspended lifetime ban in case he ever re-offends.Originally posted by -V- View Post
It would be good if the ICC instituted a minimum wage for international cricket and top sliced the income of all international cricket to help pay for it. The ridiculous pay inequality along with the potential temptations mean that even with harsh punishments people will always be tempted."The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
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I totally agree with this. Amir is only 18 years old and as I read in a very good article by Derek Pringle deserves a second chance. Clearly the guy is talented, but unfortunately he is also very badly advised(if he is proven to be guilty).Originally posted by dww View Post
I can see why so many commentators want to let loose the full power of the law onto these guys who cheated, but I think they shoudl assess each case individually in order to be fair, and I would ban Asif fr good and give Amier a second chance. if Butt is proven to be implicated he should also be banned for life.Jacques Brel is alive and well and playing at AnfieldComment
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I can understand the forgiving stance on Amir, I'm just not sure they could get away with making allowances like that if they're all found guilty of the same offence.Thanks very much for being ‘This Mornings’ Farmer’Comment
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I agree with your point but I think that they could easily give a suspended sentence to Amir as an 18 yr old. With what has happened recently in cricket in Pakistan I think tha it would be impossible to repeat this leniency with the other more experienced members of the team.
what you canot afford to do is to make it worthwhile to miss interational cricket for a couple of years for a quick buck.Jacques Brel is alive and well and playing at AnfieldComment
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Originally posted by 5europeancups View Post
"Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob PaisleyComment
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Who gives a **** how old the dude is. He's corrupt.
When i was 18 i knew the difference between right and wrong. You know its wrong to take a bung and if you still do it cop the punishment on the chin. I jut hope the cricket authorities punish them fully and don't puss out because the subcontinent have so much power in the game.
You are letting his talent blind you....he's a cheating little cunt, just like the rest of the team. End of. They are a disgrace to the game."When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah
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Why should the others get lifetime bans and Amir not? He's in on it too. Just because he's 18 doesn't mean he should get away with it?Originally posted by 5europeancups View Post
**** that for a joke, he cheated along with his mates, he knew what he was doing. He's not some fool they have roped into it.
"Ohhh but he's still got his whole career ahead of him, he's so young."
Tough luck buddy. Should have thought of that when you accepted being part of the bungs. He's still got his life ahead of him FFS....he'll just have wasted his chance at cricket. Which is fair enough IMO. People would kill for the opportunities he has been given...and he's thrown in back in their faces. **** him off for good. Set an example. Yeah, we would lose a promising young bowler, but thems the breaks when you're a dodgy cunt."When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah
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The Australians haven't been a role model in this regard.
Despite the life bans on prominent cricketers and stringent new constraints, the scourge of match-fixing in international cricket was still on and recent matches involving Pakistan are being investigated, media reported in London on Saturday.
"Matches played by Pakistan and New Zealand in Sharjah and by Pakistan in New Zealand this year have been under particular scrutiny," 'The Times' newspaper said.
It stated that a report by Sir Paul Condon, Chief of ICC's anti-corruption unit "will say next week that cricket cannot be given a clean bill of health."
The report will suggest that, despite the life bans imposed on former captains Hansie Cronje of South Africa, Md Azharuddin of India and Salim Malik of Pakistan, "attempts to manipulate results for money may not have been wiped out.
"Betting syndicates are known to have made large amounts not only out of the results of matches and series, many involving India and Pakistan, but also out of many different aspects of the game," the daily said. They have been known to bet on such things as who would bat first, who would open the bowling and whether certain batsmen would score more or less than a certain figure.
According to the report, Sir Paul who was recently made "people's peer" has admitted that cricket will never be rid of dishonesty. But he has set himself the target of reducing the problem to an "irreducible minimum" before the next World Cup in South Africa in 2002-03.
Sir Paul disclosed in February that "sadly there are still things to come out" and his report next week, to be released on the Internet, will indicate that there is still a long way to go before his objective can be met. No allegations against individuals will be made but the Condon report is expected to be highly critical of the way the ICC handled previous cases of suspected bribery in the sport.
The Australian Cricket Board, whose former chairman Malcolm Gray, is the ICC chairman, will share the blame with the world's governing body for failing to dig deeper when in 1995 they fined two Australian Test cricketers Mark Waugh and Shane Warne for taking money from bookmakers in return for information about teams, pitches and weather.
Rumours of widespread corruption in international cricket came to light last year when Cronje was accidentally picked up discussing the manipulation of matches on a mobile telephone in India by Delhi Police, prompting the ICC to introduce stringent penalties for all cricketers found guilty of any involvement with betting interests.
Cronje, Azharuddin and Malik have been banned for life. Alec Stewart, who is playing for England in the current Lord's Test against Pakistan, was interviewed by Sir Paul during his investigation, providing information about the England tour of India in 1992-93 when he was vice-captain.Comment
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info on teams, weather and the pitch has no bearing on the result. It just helps the bookies choose their odds."When a man insults my country I insult him, by taking his woman" Tony Yeboah
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It seems we have all prejudged what has happened to some degree. I have no idea how culpable any individuals are, what I'm pretty certain about is that there will be shades of grey. My feeling is that Amir is likely to be a junior partner and if that proves to be true then I think giving people second chances when young is the honourable and right thing to do. You have at the same time to punish him as it is a serious offense and part of a major problem.
In the law courts sentences are regularly set by judges to reflect the circumstances of the individual involved I see no justification for a more absolutist and punitive system in this case."The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind."
-- William BlakeComment
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I also think there's a danger of failing to recognise the circumstances of the individuals concerned by looking at things purely from a Western perspective. Pakistan doesn't have British (or Australian) levels of income, Pakistani cricketers do not get paid similar salaries, endorsements are far less valuable, all of which has been exacerbated by the vast sums played to players in the IPL, from which Pakistani players were excluded last year. There may also have been serious threats made against players or their families.
It's easy to moralise from the comfort of a privileged position..
Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.
May the Lord bless this post.Comment
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