England Summer Test Cricket

[RichC]

Easily.

[Zapater]

I prefer it when you talk about obscure Spanish-speaking footballers.

Me too my friend, me too...

Harsh call but them's the breaks, win some lose some

Finn

Well, no, not really. They've changed the rules to introduce this system which eliminating poor decisions - i.e. Morkel on Strauss in the first test or Smith now. Everything that the system is geared towards is ensuring that the shocking ones. Calling a completely inconclusive decision not out, is well within the umpires rights. Upon replays there's nothing to suggest that it's out. If it was an LBW, they try their darnedest to maintain the on field call regardless of what it is. The third umpire got excited and wanted to be part of it and ****ed Kallis over, same thing happened to Rudolph in the last test. This is unacceptable and the ICC allowing this to happen is defeating the point of using technology. I'd rather Petersen was out for 80 or whatever in the last test with one of those LBW's that looked out but weren't given, those have always been in cricket, but the Rudolph stumping and the Kallis ones are a ****ing travesty.

If they continue to implement technology in this fashion I'd prefer we went back to the old way. It's also no coincidence who was screwed by this either...

EDIT: Obviously Rudolph wasn't the referral method, but poor applications of the law from the third umpire.

[Shaggy]

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[Neil Young]

Me too my friend, me too...

Well, no, not really. They've changed the rules to introduce this system which eliminating poor decisions - i.e. Morkel on Strauss in the first test or Smith now. Everything that the system is geared towards is ensuring that the shocking ones. Calling a completely inconclusive decision not out, is well within the umpires rights. Upon replays there's nothing to suggest that it's out. If it was an LBW, they try their darnedest to maintain the on field call regardless of what it is. The third umpire got excited and wanted to be part of it and ****ed Kallis over, same thing happened to Rudolph in the last test. This is unacceptable and the ICC allowing this to happen is defeating the point of using technology. I'd rather Petersen was out for 80 or whatever in the last test with one of those LBW's that looked out but weren't given, those have always been in cricket, but the Rudolph stumping and the Kallis ones are a ****ing travesty.

If they continue to implement technology in this fashion I'd prefer we went back to the old way. It's also no coincidence who was screwed by this either...

Are you suggesting a conspiracy or just favouritism for the home team?

It could just be random you know, even with two or more bad decisions in a row against South Africa.

[Shaggy]

It was a bad decision but we've had no luck in this series at all, about time we got a bit.

[Zapater]

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Are you suggesting a conspiracy or just favouritism for the home team?

It could just be random you know, even with two or more bad decisions in a row against South Africa.

Well, I'm not quite constructing full blown conspiracy theories here, but I have noticed that generally - England and Australia get the rub of the green with this sort of thing and it would be no surprise to me if the ICC endorsed this, like an unspoken rule. Without trying to sound like a complete mental case, I wouldn't be surprised if there was something in it, i.e. Think refereeing against Liverpool the last few seasons.

I don't know what to say though, tbh England bowled extremely well this session and we should be talking about this rather than inconclusive not outs by the umpire being reversed to out on some inconclusive footage by some guy in a viewing booth.

[Neil Young]

I don't think Liverpool suffer from biased refereeing decisions, just mistaken ones. I think better teams get the rub of the green because referees/umpires can assume the decision goes their way. I've said it before, but my 'model' for this is what happened in the Nineties. We were believed to have a **** defence so we gave away loads of penalties, etc. Then Henchoz and Hyypia came in and we still seemed to get lots of bad decisions against us. After a while though it was clear we had a much better defence and suddenly refs were giving decisions in our favour, culminating in Henchoz getting away with wearing goalkeeping gloves for a whole season (not literally, but you get my point).

Another argument is the way Suarez doesn't seem to get that many marginal calls for penalties - he has a reputation for diving so referees assume he's gone over easily (by which I mean they actually 'see' him do it). Yet Gerrard used to dive, Scholes used to dive and so on. It's why Ferguson's media games are relevant - he really is seeking to shape how officials referee matches.

Even then though I recognise I might be seeing a pattern where none exists and it's all purely down to randomness. But it's not an inconceivable explanation of events and yet also doesn't require high level skullduggery involving possibly dozens of conspirators.

I've been listening to TMS but the clear consensus there is Kallis shouldn't have been given out. So it's unlucky, and unfair on him. More though? Hmm, I doubt it.

[Shaggy]

Excellent interview with Strauss at lunch. I really like him.

[Neil Young]

I like Strauss too. The Younger one especially.

And Richard is ok too.

[Shaggy]

Fantastic interview, about half an hour long ...just finished. A great insight. His record is phenomenal.

[Neil Young]

By the way, I might continue this until someone at least deigns to register their boredom/irritation.

[Zapater]

Nice little re-consolidation here, a bit scared to post, because when I do bad things seem to happen. Rudolph needs to get off strike when Swann is bowling, otherwise he's going to psych himself out.

Re: Strauss - didn't see the piece, but he seems like a genuine man, if not a bit boring. Was it KP related? I don't think I could handle hearing more about that situation.

[Shaggy]

Loving Yohan Blake watching in his Sunday best with his binoculars

[Shaggy]

Nice little re-consolidation here, a bit scared to post, because when I do bad things seem to happen. Rudolph needs to get off strike when Swann is bowling, otherwise he's going to psych himself out.

Re: Strauss - didn't see the piece, but he seems like a genuine man, if not a bit boring. Was it KP related? I don't think I could handle hearing more about that situation.

They discussed that of course - his relationship with KP, how the players feel about it etc, Also discussed his career (100 Tests), his captaincy, methods etc. He seems a top bloke to me.

[Shaggy]

Jimmy strikes! de Villiers gone, 105-5