Wimbledon 2012

[Buzzo]

'simply not good enough' - outrageously harsh. He is a phenomenal player. There's no shame whatsoever in losing to the greatest player of all time.

Murray was dominating Federer until a couple of sublime points at the end of the second set from RF. Murray had a makeable winner on break point the game before to. The points that won Federer the second set gave him the momentum to go on and win the match playing some absolutely stunning Tennis. But Murray showed in the first 2 sets that he has what it takes.

It pisses me off when people say he doesnt have the mentality, look at the guts he showed to get to the Final. Look at the way he took the game to Federer in the first 2 sets. Look at Lendl himself for a guy who lost his first 4 GS finals, look at Agassi world no 1 in his 30's. Murray is 25,even if he only plays until he is 30 he will have 20 Slams to try and win. Plus he still gets better every year.

Awesome stuff from Andy this Wimbledon, but hats of to Federer, best player in the history of mens tennis

[Shaggy]

Completely agree

That missed forehand at break point was massive. Should've put that away.

[Alex]

Unfortunately I don't think he is good enough. The 3 players above him are a different class. No reflection on him, I just think he is a player in the wrong age.

[Buzzo]

Unfortunately I don't think he is good enough. The 3 players above him are a different class. No reflection on him, I just think he is a player in the wrong age.

I think anyone who has been to 4 finals has what it takes. Off the top of my head he's beaten Nadal in the US Open semis. Took Djokovic to 5 in the semis of the Aus this year and took a set off Federer and had him rocking In the second today.

He is definitely good enough.

[Daniel 7]

Murray said it himself - he's getting closer.

Lendl's project with him is still in its infancy and you can see the improvement already. He's Rafa-esque () - always watching, never showing emotion, observing, analysing...

The watershed was when the roof closed, it was a different game after that. There was a point in the second set where it looked like Murray was about to start dominating, but Federer used all his experience to pull it back.

Pity, but I think he might be in with a proper, proper chance in NYC.

[Tee]

Unfortunately I don't think he is good enough. The 3 players above him are a different class. No reflection on him, I just think he is a player in the wrong age.

When it matters, i.e. in the finals, he just cannot find that something extra that makes a champion. So yes, he is simply not good enough. Harsh but true.

[Gibbo]

Unfortunately I don't think he is good enough. The 3 players above him are a different class. No reflection on him, I just think he is a player in the wrong age.

He's the same age as Novak and its interesting to see how their careers have differed, its a shame for Murray because IMO there is quite a difference between him and Tsonga, but he's not quite good enough to challenge Novak and Rafa, I think as Federer ages he will probably drop down to a similar position as Andy is now.

Unfortunately I just don't think he is naturally talented enough.

[Chris]

Still makes a few to many stupid mistakes at crucial points. And the back holding, leg holding whenever the other guy suddenly starts playing well really has to stop, if things are that bad get the trainer out.

Looks like plenty of time to win one but it quickly ticks by and the French will always be unrealistic as decent as he is on clay. Hope he does it but I'm not sure he will.

[Buzzo]

When it matters, i.e. in the finals, he just cannot find that something extra that makes a champion. So yes, he is simply not good enough. Harsh but true.

I beg to differ. He simply wasn't good enough today yes, but to say that he will not do it in the future is impossible to say. I could see how a statement like this could be said after his previous finals but he played well enough today to show he can do it. To watch the game today and say that on this basis he will never win a grand slam just doesnt make sense to me. This was his best performance in a final Yet.

[Tee]

I beg to differ. He simply wasn't good enough today yes, but to say that he will not do it in the future is impossible to say. I could see how a statement like this could be said after his previous finals but he played well enough today to show he can do it. To watch the game today and say that on this basis he will never win a grand slam just doesnt make sense to me. This was his best performance in a final Yet.

Maybe he will in the future and I hope he does because the effort is there. He just does not have that 'edge' both talent wise and in terms of his mentality that makes champions IMO. This actually turned out to be one of Federer's easiest Wimbledon finals tbf.

[Alex]

The point is that he put in his best performance in a final ever, and still lost.

I don't think he is a bad player at all. I just think the guys above him are a different level.

[Alex]

FWIW I think he has the talent, everyone has seen that. He just needs something else to pull him over the line.

[Kenneth]

a bit more talent.

[Buzzo]

Maybe he will in the future and I hope he does because the effort is there. He just does not have that 'edge' both talent wise and in terms of his mentality that makes champions IMO. This actually turned out to be one of Federer's easiest Wimbledon finals tbf.

we could jeep this going for ever needless to say I disagree I would have perhaps agreed a few years ago but having watched Murray in the Aus this year and today and looking at how he has played and how he well he approaches his game mentally, well I think he will win at least one.

[Tee]

Hope you are right.