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    Good win for Boasson Hagen in the GP Ouest de Plouay. It was a good race actually.

    Balls, Tevez just scored.
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      Rodriguez takes another 8" bonus + 10" gap. Bad mistake from Sky, Saxo Bank and Movistar.

      Bonuses.

      Good win for Gilbert. About time this season.
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      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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        oh dear doesn't sound like it was a great day for Froome then 53 seconds down is a lot to make up.

        What is Rodriguez like on TT?

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          Bad. He lost six minutes in one a couple of years ago, if memory serves. It was longer though, and flat.

          But he lost less than a minute to Hesjedal at the Giro in May. It was shorter than Wednesday's though. And you'd think Froome and Contador would be better at ITT than Hesjedal.

          You're right though, 53" is a big gap, especially with so much more climbing and so many more uphill finishes to come.
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          Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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            looks like he's going to have to try and chip away over the next couple of days (one isn't a rest day is it?) and maybe get some bonus seconds and then go flat out on the ITT.

            Still in with a shout of getting back to him but the team (SKY) are going to have to offer more for him to do it by the looks of it

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              Tomorrow is a rest day. Annoying on a bank holiday.

              I think they need to adjust their tactics a bit. Froome needs to nullify the stop/start attacking style of his three rivals. He's a lot better at that style of racing than Wiggins is but he's not as good as they are. Or rather, he's better than they (at least Valverde and Rodriguez, maybe Contador too) are at the long, steady wind-up in pace that good teammates can do for him.

              But maybe he's just running out of legs. The Dauphiné, the Tour and the Olympics may be starting to tell.
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              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                indeed, he's raced a lot this year and to go for 2 grand tours + the Olympics I would imagine pretty difficult to do.

                Has anyone actually ever won all 3 grand tours in the same year (I could google but you'll undoubtably know!)

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                  No.

                  Two have won the Giro, Tour and world championship road race in a year - Eddy Merckx (1974) and Stephen Roche (1987). That's considered the ultimate (possible).

                  Only eight riders have won two Grand Tours in a year.

                  Four times
                  Eddy Merckx

                  Three times
                  Bernard Hinault

                  Twice
                  Fausto Coppi
                  Jacques Anquetil
                  Miguel Indurain

                  Once
                  Giovanni Battaglin
                  Stephen Roche
                  Marco Pantani
                  Alberto Contador

                  I had to look up Battaglin.

                  And no rider has ever won the Tour and the Olympic road race in the same year.

                  Only one has ever won the Tour and Olympic gold in the same year - Lord Wiggins of Sideburns of course.

                  And Wiggins is the only one to have won Paris-Nice, The Dauphiné and Tour of Romandie in the same season, let alone the Tour de France as well.
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                  Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                    Just shows what an incredibly difficult sport cycling actually is that no man has ever won all 3 in a year - from the names above I know Merckx (saw a good doc on him recently) , Roache, Indurain, Pantani (looked like a pirate didn't he) and Contador I hadn't really heard of Hinault it has only from him being mentioned on here and having a look at him that I've seen or know anything about him.

                    Just shows even in the years of doping it could only take you so far and for so long (Pantani I'm looking at you).

                    Didn't know that with Wiggins, I knew he'd had an amazing season prior to the Tour but to have won all of that in one season is amazingly impressive! Tour of Britain to go

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                      But he won't win the Tour of Britain. He's said he isn't even going to try to win it.

                      Yes, Pantani called himself Il Pirata and styled himself that way. That's because he hated the nickname he acquired at the start of his career - Il Elefantino - because his ears stuck out.

                      Yep, he was a drug cheat - as so many of them were in those days. I wonder when EPO came out, maybe it affected the early 90's too. I hope not.

                      Hinault was amazing. Did you see the two clips I posted above? It gives a good insight into his character.
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                      Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                        Partly no-one won all three is because the Vuelta used to be held earlier in the year - it may have even clashed with Giro. So riders like Merckx never got the chance.

                        It only changed from April to late summer in 1995.
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                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                          Ah ok, still even then it's 17 years on since they changed it and for still nobody to have actually won all 3 is pretty impressive

                          Who is Wiggins riding for then on the tour of Britain? Must be tempted to go for it and sign the year off in style

                          Hard to know when EPO really kicked in but you hope people like Indurain were exempt from it all, he was awesome to watch, just kept going breaking others around him! I remember when he was blown out of the back of the group on a climb when going for his 6th tour, complete shock!

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                            I don't know.

                            The team is Wiggins, Cavendish, Eisel, Hunt, Löfkvist and Knees. Löfkvist would be the other possible GC rider although I did hear a rumour he might be leaving, in which case I can't see Sky riding for him as leader. But maybe he's staying - I have't seen anything definite to suggest he's that dissatisfied or considering moving on.

                            Of course they'll be working for Cav to win some stages. But I assume the profile will be too hard for him to have hopes of winning overall, although it's not impossible. He did win a stage race in the Netherlands a couple of months ago and that had one very hilly stage that he did amazingly well on.

                            So maybe it's Cavendish...
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                            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                              Be nice to see Cav win it but isn't he likely to be on his way out as well?

                              All these questions!

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                                Originally posted by rcasemore View Post
                                Hard to know when EPO really kicked in but you hope people like Indurain were exempt from it all, he was awesome to watch, just kept going breaking others around him! I remember when he was blown out of the back of the group on a climb when going for his 6th tour, complete shock!
                                I remember that. It was unbelievably exciting - the moment I totally fell in love with cycling.

                                I watched that whole Tour recently - the half hour highlights programmes (Australian but the footage and commentary is the same as the Channel 4 programme) are on Youtube. I watched them while riding my turbo.

                                It's not quite as I remember it. And the vital moment is missing from the programme.

                                I watched it live at the time. Nothing much had happened in the first week (although I remembered that wrong actually - from the highlights Indurain lost a little time a day or two earlier). Then it all exploded on that shortened stage when Riis went up to the front of the group, dropped back, went to the front, dropped back and then BAM, he was gone!

                                An amazing moment. You just knew he'd won the Tour that day and that the Indurain era, that had seemed like it might never end, was suddenly gone forever.
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                                Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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