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    Was it too good to be true after all?



    Lance Armstrong fails to block doping case against him

    Lance Armstrong's bid to block an investigation into whether he took performance-enhancing drugs has been dismissed in a US federal court.

    The seven-time Tour de France winner was charged by the US Anti-Doping Agency in June with using performance-enhancing drugs going back 16 years.

    Armstrong, 40, subsequently took legal action against the USADA, accusing it of offering "corrupt inducements" to other riders to testify against him.

    The American has always denied doping.

    The Texas court ruling means Armstrong will now have to face the doping charges. He could lose his record-breaking seven Tour de France titles if found guilty, and banned from cycling.

    Despite his dismissal of Armstrong's case against the USADA, US District Judge Sam Sparks noted "troubling aspects" of the agency's case.

    He remarked upon the contrast between the USADA's determination to pursue with the hearing "in direct conflict with [international cycling governing body] UCI's equally evident desire not to proceed against him".

    USADA chief executive Travis Tygart welcomed the court's ruling: "We are pleased that the federal court in Austin, Texas, has dismissed Lance Armstrong's lawsuit and upheld the established rules which provide Congressionally mandated due process for all athletes.

    "The rules in place have protected the rights of athletes for more than a decade in every case USADA has adjudicated," he said.

    "We look forward to a timely, public arbitration hearing in this case, should Mr Armstrong choose, where the evidence can be presented, witness testimony will be given under oath and subject to cross examination, and an independent panel of arbitrators will determine the outcome."

    Armstrong's alleged offences span 1999 to 2005. Should he choose to answer the charges, Armstrong's case may ultimately be escalated to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).

    He has previously accused the USADA, which has handed out lifetime bans to three of the five other men accused in his case, of pursuing a vendetta against him.

    The UCI said in a statement: "The UCI was not a party to the US proceedings.

    "Based upon the information that was known to it - UCI did not receive a copy of USADA's file - UCI took the position that it [the UCI] had jurisdiction for results management and proposed that a third neutral and independent body should decide, based upon the evidence in USADA's file, whether Lance Armstrong had a case to answer or not.

    "The UCI notes that according to the US court [USADA] arbitration proceedings should meet its concerns."

    Armstrong, who survived testicular cancer prior to his record-breaking Tour wins, retired after the 2005 Tour de France, but made a comeback in 2009. He retired for a second time in February 2011, taking up the triathlon.
    Oh I don't know.

    #2
    I suppose, without wanting to ape Richey , we'll have to wait and see. But it wouldn't be a major surprise to many in cycling, nor to many of the fans.
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    Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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      #3
      It would be a bitter blow to the integrity of the sport, surely? The biggest blow yet?
      Oh I don't know.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Red Setter View Post
        I suppose, without wanting to ape Richey , we'll have to wait and see. But it wouldn't be a major surprise to many in cycling, nor to many of the fans.
        Really ?

        Without sounding naive how on earth did he get away with all the drug testing that went on. I really hope he hasn't cheated
        I make no apologies, this is me

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          #5
          I think if he has been found doping it's not just Cycling that will be dragged through the mud, but competitive sport in general IMO. He is an international superstar because of his story. People will feel cheated if he is found guilty.
          Last edited by Alex; 23-08-12, 01:09 PM.
          *Except Michael, who died.

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            #6
            Originally posted by dom9 View Post
            It would be a bitter blow to the integrity of the sport, surely? The biggest blow yet?
            It would be a blow. But he is already part of the past. Many more riders are clean today.

            But it would be a major problem for anti-doping in general. If Armstrong could get away with it then who else is? And I don't just mean in cycling - what about athletics for instance?

            If there is proof then the sad truth seems to be that, unless there's a whistleblower, only the stupid or the greedy get caught.
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            Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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              #7
              Originally posted by Alex View Post
              I think if he has been found doping it's not just Cycling that will be dragged through the mud, but competitive sport in genera IMO. He is an international superstar because of his story. People will feel cheated if he is found guilty.
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              Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                #8
                Originally posted by Red Setter View Post
                It would be a blow. But he is already part of the past. Many more riders are clean today.

                But it would be a major problem for anti-doping in general. If Armstrong could get away with it then who else is? And I don't just mean in cycling - what about athletics for instance?

                If there is proof then the sad truth seems to be that, unless there's a whistleblower, only the stupid or the greedy get caught.
                I agree that it's not just a cycling problem, but that sport seems to be particularly tarnished over the years. To the point where you pretty much had to be cheating just to be competitive at times.

                I think its got to the point where they might as well do away with drug testing. Why not just let the athletes do whatever want? Maybe have a legitimate drug enhanced championship, and a clean version.
                Oh I don't know.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dom9 View Post
                  I agree that it's not just a cycling problem, but that sport seems to be particularly tarnished over the years. To the point where you pretty much had to be cheating just to be competitive at times.

                  I think its got to the point where they might as well do away with drug testing. Why not just let the athletes do whatever they want? Maybe have a legitimate drug enhanced championship, and a clean version.
                  Would be weird that, they'd have to test the riders to make sure they were all taking something .

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dom9 View Post
                    Why not just let the athletes do whatever want? Maybe have a legitimate drug enhanced championship, and a clean version.
                    Because you'd stand a better chance of winning a clean version if you were doping so you still won't eradicate cheaters.
                    Was muß, das muß.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by foresterbloke View Post
                      Because you'd stand a better chance of winning a clean version if you were doping so you still won't eradicate cheaters.
                      Let them all cheat in that case, I say. Then it won't be cheating any more.
                      Oh I don't know.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by dom9 View Post
                        I agree that it's not just a cycling problem, but that sport seems to be particularly tarnished over the years. To the point where you pretty much had to be cheating just to be competitive at times.
                        Certainly cycling had a really bad problem. I hope it's less than it was. Average speeds are falling slightly, which indicates there may be less doping. But I'm suspicious that the UCI isn't committed to clean racing - there's too much money at stake to expose all the offenders. The biological passport programme that they administer seems to have been particularly quiet lately - maybe that's because riders aren't cheating but hmm.

                        I was reading Chris Sidwell's history of the Tour this morning. In it he makes the distinction between the old drug taking (pre-1990s) where the drugs didn't make that much difference and the situation when EPO became available. Pre-EPO drug-taking was largely tolerated within the professional peloton because the effects were marginal and sometimes not even that. And the best still won.

                        But EPO had a whole different level of performance - an extra 10% he claims - and that's when attitudes started to change because that's when the donkeys were beating the thoroughbreds.

                        It was an ingrained cultural problem in cycling. I think it's changing in that young pros might not feel it's necessary to take drugs in order to compete or else they get dropped by their teams. And more top riders are clean than they were I think. I mean, I totally believe that Wiggins is clean. Cavendish too. I can think of others though.

                        Then you get the whole argument about the line between "rider preparation" and doping. It's straightforward in moral terms but the practicalities can be less clearcut.

                        Anyway if Armstrong is found guilty, it'll be carnage.
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                        Suppose you have a physicist and a sociologist standing at the side of a field, observing a set of events unfolding on the field. The physicist does [describes] it using the terminology of mass and velocity and frequency of radiation and the rest. And the sociologist does it by describing it as a rugby match.



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                          #13
                          I seriously hope Armstrong is innocent, as has already been said by some on here if he is guilty this becomes a far bigger problem that just another cyclist being caught doping.

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                            #14
                            His motivational speech in Dodgeball will mean nothing, if he's guilty! :grin:

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                              #15
                              He won't fight the accusations. He'll be banned for life and stripped of his titles. Confirmed by the beeb.
                              Are we winning?

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