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No surprise that they've been caught (eventually) - it's been brewing for ages - but I don't think anyone would have guessed the size of the points deduction.Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
I can see it being reduced on appeal but even if it isn't there's no chance they will get relegated. In fact if everyone beats everyone this season (which happened for quite a bit of last year), they may even win enough games to make the play offs.Comment
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I dunno, that’s 5 BP wins to even draw level. Apparently they’d have finished 10th with a 35pt deduction last year.!
Totally devalues the last 3 years of the prem.
Similar to Rangers in the SPL.Modifying post.Comment
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Originally posted by Buzzo View Post
Ok, maybe the play offs would be a stretch but McCall is a very canny guy who rotates his players allowing equal weight to be given to the Champions Cup.
If it was all about survival, the Cup would no doubt take a back seat and he would play his strongest team every week in the league.
I'm absolutely certain Premiership rugby don't want Saracens relegated (a season or two back there was even talk of getting rid of relegation altogether) so I reckon they want to demonstrate how seriously the offence is viewed, whilst making sure Sarries retain their top division status.
On reflection they may decide to reduce the points sanction to absolutely ensure this.Comment
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Originally posted by Cormack74 View Post
Yeah the points deduction would not have relegated Saracens in any of the last 4 years. It’s tough but it would harm Prem if they weren’t in it.
It’s a severe punishment, but, it’s cheating. A stand has to be taken.
Agree that the appeal will probably see the points ban reduced to 25 or so.Modifying post.Comment
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No Champions Cup chat lads?
(I can't contribute yet because I've only just started to watch the games on record, but give it a couple of days
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Watched Edinburgh (Challenge Cup) beat Agen on Friday night. Second string BP win.
Saw Exeter play very well and beat La Rochelle.
Was at my Sons rugby training today at Heriots and stayed on to watch first half of the Heriots Super Six game. It was decent enough. Crowd of around 1000.
And just saw this filth from Finn.
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Watched Munster and highlights of the other Irish provinces. It was a typical ground out Munster away win and v happy to get the bonus point.Originally posted by Cormack74 View PostNo Champions Cup chat lads?
(I can't contribute yet because I've only just started to watch the games on record, but give it a couple of days ).
Sarries and Racing in the group make it tough especially with Racing thumping the Sarries third team
......not sure how the World Cup will affect teams but it seems more open this year. If Sarries regroup they are the side to beat......yet again
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Saracens taking their medicine.
They've gotten off lightly imo.
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Just bought 2x tickets for the Ireland Vs Scotland 6 nations game in February! Farrell's first home game in charge, gonna be unbelievable!Comment
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Originally posted by bonzai View Post good stuff - I’m sure Buzzo will come and stay with you if you are looking to get rid of the spare 
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Been reading quite a bit of the UK and Ireland's response to the WC and I must say, I'm pretty disappointed how bitter and twisted comments from respected people are. Sour grapes everywhere. I expect it from England, but wtf is up with the other home nations, didn't realise they loved England so much.
Guscott saying there shouldn't be that many subs as it gives one team advantage over the other
All teams have the same number of subs, it's upto everyone individually to how they use their squad effectively (see Jones' comments about a squad). The fact that that we have more depth in the forwards isn't our problem, each team had 15 players on the pitch. If anything with the way the game is going there should be more speed with all of the collisions and its intensity.
Won only because we were bigger and stronger than everyone else. Wales tight 5 were about 40kgs more than SA's and I think their scrum outweighed us by 15kg and England's scrum was 20kg more than ours. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, as the Boks skilless neanderthals just smashed whatever was in front of them. Not one word about Kolbe's quality etc either.
Neil Francis and other pricks implying of steroid abuse. Come on now, that's a joke, yes I'm sure there are many players using performance enhancers in the world (SA included). Referencing individual cases to try to say everyone is doing it is just madness. Unless there's categorical proof, it's complete hearsay.
Anyway, rant over, just a bit bemused about the reaction.Comment
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It has only been positive from what I’ve read and listened to up in Scotland.
Most pundits saying the bar has been raised in terms of what we should be expecting from a World Cup host.
In terms of the match I’d say most pundits expected an England win, but (and nobody could argue) that SA deserved the win. The reality is it was a totally comprehensive win, unusual for a WC Final.
All the media I saw including post match (where Bryan Habana was a pundit) was hugely congratulatory.
In terms of Subs, England have used that tactic as effectively as anyone in World Rugby over the years so that’s a weird one. I agree to an extent, but not because I think there has been any particular benefits to one country or another.Modifying post.Comment
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Doesn't represent what the reaction has been over here at all, but there we are!Originally posted by Zapater View PostBeen reading quite a bit of the UK and Ireland's response to the WC and I must say, I'm pretty disappointed how bitter and twisted comments from respected people are. Sour grapes everywhere. I expect it from England, but wtf is up with the other home nations, didn't realise they loved England so much.
Guscott saying there shouldn't be that many subs as it gives one team advantage over the other All teams have the same number of subs, it's upto everyone individually to how they use their squad effectively (see Jones' comments about a squad). The fact that that we have more depth in the forwards isn't our problem, each team had 15 players on the pitch. If anything with the way the game is going there should be more speed with all of the collisions and its intensity.
Won only because we were bigger and stronger than everyone else. Wales tight 5 were about 40kgs more than SA's and I think their scrum outweighed us by 15kg and England's scrum was 20kg more than ours. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, as the Boks skilless neanderthals just smashed whatever was in front of them. Not one word about Kolbe's quality etc either.
Neil Francis and other pricks implying of steroid abuse. Come on now, that's a joke, yes I'm sure there are many players using performance enhancers in the world (SA included). Referencing individual cases to try to say everyone is doing it is just madness. Unless there's categorical proof, it's complete hearsay.
Anyway, rant over, just a bit bemused about the reaction.
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Watch/listen to Gatland (2 mins in). The reaction to SA winning the World Cup has been very good.Originally posted by Zapater View PostBeen reading quite a bit of the UK and Ireland's response to the WC and I must say, I'm pretty disappointed how bitter and twisted comments from respected people are. Sour grapes everywhere. I expect it from England, but wtf is up with the other home nations, didn't realise they loved England so much.
Guscott saying there shouldn't be that many subs as it gives one team advantage over the other All teams have the same number of subs, it's upto everyone individually to how they use their squad effectively (see Jones' comments about a squad). The fact that that we have more depth in the forwards isn't our problem, each team had 15 players on the pitch. If anything with the way the game is going there should be more speed with all of the collisions and its intensity.
Won only because we were bigger and stronger than everyone else. Wales tight 5 were about 40kgs more than SA's and I think their scrum outweighed us by 15kg and England's scrum was 20kg more than ours. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, as the Boks skilless neanderthals just smashed whatever was in front of them. Not one word about Kolbe's quality etc either.
Neil Francis and other pricks implying of steroid abuse. Come on now, that's a joke, yes I'm sure there are many players using performance enhancers in the world (SA included). Referencing individual cases to try to say everyone is doing it is just madness. Unless there's categorical proof, it's complete hearsay.
Anyway, rant over, just a bit bemused about the reaction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07tvv33Last edited by Rigadon; 19-11-19, 11:15 AM.Another MASSIVE game
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