F1 Thread

[RichC]

He joined Merc in 2013, and in 2014 the rules changed and Mercedes were the dominant team from the off, never looking back. The only person he's had to beat since then has been his teammate, and he's never been pushed as No 1 driver for the team, he's always had a stooge (apart from one year when it just felt like Mercedes were desperate to have a German driver win the title).

He drove well in 2008 that's true, and had a good battle with the Ferrari's, but Ferrari shot themselves in the foot in that season, with an unreliable car.

Masi has been a farce yes, but I think the stewards have also never covered themselves in glory, so inconsistent from race to race with what is acceptable and what isn't.

And that's no different to Schumacher, he went to Ferrari and won 5 titles on the trot with them.

Massi has been dreadful but yeah the stewards have also been inconsistent.

Shame the season has ended as it has as both drivers have been very good and it's a bit of shame it's ended up like this.

[Scratch]

You do know he won his first title with Maclaren? He joined Mercs when it wasn't dominant either, it was seen as a big risk to go there.

He's won at least one race every season he's been in F1 which is impressive.

With the mess of a race yesterday you've got to feel a little sorry for both of the drivers; what happened wasn't Red Bull or Verstappen's fault and Hamilton was cruising out front with a 10 second lead.

The race director Michael Massi has had a shocking season tbh the farce of a race that was at Spa and then the last couple of races he's been dreadful; needs replacing for someone actually competent.

He joined Merc in 2013, and in 2014 the rules changed and Mercedes were the dominant team from the off, never looking back. The only person he's had to beat since then has been his teammate, and he's never been pushed as No 1 driver for the team, he's always had a stooge (apart from one year when it just felt like Mercedes were desperate to have a German driver win the title).

He drove well in 2008 that's true, and had a good battle with the Ferrari's, but Ferrari shot themselves in the foot in that season, with an unreliable car.

Masi has been a farce yes, but I think the stewards have also never covered themselves in glory, so inconsistent from race to race with what is acceptable and what isn't.

[Harv]

You do know he won his first title with Maclaren? He joined Mercs when it wasn't dominant either, it was seen as a big risk to go there.

He's won at least one race every season he's been in F1 which is impressive.

With the mess of a race yesterday you've got to feel a little sorry for both of the drivers; what happened wasn't Red Bull or Verstappen's fault and Hamilton was cruising out front with a 10 second lead.

The race director Michael Massi has had a shocking season tbh the farce of a race that was at Spa and then the last couple of races he's been dreadful; needs replacing for someone actually competent.

Doesn't help that he's got people like Toto and Horner in his ear the whole race. They shouldn't be allowed to speak to him.

[RichC]

This I do agree with, Lewis should have been at worst DQ'd from that race, at best demoted from race winner, he made a move that endangered his opponent and benefitted with +25 points to the gap. A 10 second penalty was ridiculous given the outcome of the move. If it wasn't at Silverstone, I think he would have been black-flagged.

But I'm glad that he hasn't moved on to 8 titles, it feels wrong that he would surpass Schumacher by benefit of staying at the same dominant team for many years. To really prove himself he should have done a Rossi or a Schumacher, move from the dominant team and turn an also-ran into a contender.

Still, he will probably do it next year, as no doubt Mercedes will have the better car again, they just seem to be ahead of the game when it comes to design and powerplant.

You do know he won his first title with Maclaren? He joined Mercs when it wasn't dominant either, it was seen as a big risk to go there.

He's won at least one race every season he's been in F1 which is impressive.

With the mess of a race yesterday you've got to feel a little sorry for both of the drivers; what happened wasn't Red Bull or Verstappen's fault and Hamilton was cruising out front with a 10 second lead.

The race director Michael Massi has had a shocking season tbh the farce of a race that was at Spa and then the last couple of races he's been dreadful; needs replacing for someone actually competent.

[Scratch]

... Let's not forget he also crashed into Verstappen and sent him out of the British GP and ended up winning that race which was the start of him coming back into contention. He should have had his arse hauled over the coals for that crash, but it got swept away because its Lewis and he'll bitch and moan for weeks about it.

This I do agree with, Lewis should have been at worst DQ'd from that race, at best demoted from race winner, he made a move that endangered his opponent and benefitted with +25 points to the gap. A 10 second penalty was ridiculous given the outcome of the move. If it wasn't at Silverstone, I think he would have been black-flagged.

But I'm glad that he hasn't moved on to 8 titles, it feels wrong that he would surpass Schumacher by benefit of staying at the same dominant team for many years. To really prove himself he should have done a Rossi or a Schumacher, move from the dominant team and turn an also-ran into a contender.

Still, he will probably do it next year, as no doubt Mercedes will have the better car again, they just seem to be ahead of the game when it comes to design and powerplant.

[Harv]

what point? That none of you understand F1 racing?

[Kenneth]

Ok, you appear to have missed the point.

[Harv]

None of the commentary team knew the actual rules and the decisions were a surprise. Really daft sport

Because there isn't really a rule. They were only surprised that the stewards changed their mind. But I think they did that when they realised clearing the back markers out of the way wasn't going to cause the race to end behind the safety car and they could get 1 lap in so they let them through and let the drivers race.

[Harv]

Get a load of the Lewis fanboys's in here

What are you all whinging about? He had every decision go his way last week with Vertsppen having to give back his place twice and again this week with his cutting of the corner and being let go on any punishment (and has done most the season TBH, he's gotten away with a lot because of both him and Toto bitching non stop) and then the one thing that goes against him and everyones up in arms . There was a crash, the safety car comes out, they let the lapped cars go and Verstappen gains his 2nd spot back and because he took the risk of pitting to get new tires and because of the safety car bunching the cars back up he had his chance to overtake. Don't see how anyone can have an issue with it. Lewis has benefitted from the exact same thing this season im pretty sure. When he came from nowhere and won because of a bunch of similar incidents that let him work his way through the field when he shouldn't have stood a chance. Let's not forget he also crashed into Verstappen and sent him out of the British GP and ended up winning that race which was the start of him coming back into contention. He should have had his arse hauled over the coals for that crash, but it got swept away because its Lewis and he'll bitch and moan for weeks about it.

[Norbs]

I think the sport needs Mercedes to take them to CAS for the long term good. A forensic view of how the FIA is run and how decisions are made, and the changes that would inevitably be forced on them, would help produce a better and more consistent arbiter.

None of the commentary team knew the actual rules and the decisions were a surprise. Really daft sport

[Norbs]

I don't watch or at all care about F1 but this looks like a load of crap the sort of bull**** even FIFA wouldn't pull. Total joke of a sport

[Kenneth]

I think the sport needs Mercedes to take them to CAS for the long term good. A forensic view of how the FIA is run and how decisions are made, and the changes that would inevitably be forced on them, would help produce a better and more consistent arbiter.

[labourRed]

I'm more furious about this than I should be. Masi has to be thrown in the sea (and then sacked). Rules need to be made clear. FIA needs to have a bit of a look at itself, it's been farcical for too long.

[Exiled_red]

I don't watch or at all care about F1 but this looks like a load of crap the sort of bull**** even FIFA wouldn't pull. Total joke of a sport

[Norbs]

Hamilton had been in the lead before the bend and was forced off the track. After that incident he had a lead of half a second so can't see how it gave him an advantage other than he regained a lead that he'd lost unfairly anyway