F1 Thread

[RichC]

On the racing side of things i thought apart from the Mercs the Red Bulls looked good today and you could see why they'd won so many around here in the past few seasons the aerodynamics on the car is awesome.

Williams don't seem to like a wet track looked like they struggled with it today, dry and I think they'd have been pushing the Red Bulls.

Oh and mention for Button, good drive today took some calculated risks on tyre choices that almost worked out for him.

[Chazza]

Jules Bianchi: What lessons can F1 learn from Japan crash?

The accident during the Japanese Grand Prix that left Marussia driver Jules Bianchi in hospital with severe head injuries is an illustration of the unsolvable and sometimes terrible paradox at the heart of motor racing.

No-one wants to see racing drivers hurt, and yet it is an inescapable reality that the very possibility of it is a part of what makes Formula 1 such an intoxicating draw for its participants and the millions who watch it around the world.

It has been 20 years since the last fatality at a grand prix, when the loss of Ayrton Senna kick-started a renewed drive for greater safety that continues to this day.

Yet all the drivers know that they are risking their lives every time they zip up their fireproof overalls, strap on their helmets and head out on to the race track to do what they love. It's an adrenalin fix that those who have experienced it tell you is like nothing else on earth.

Risk is part of the challenge, inherent in why drivers are revered, in the same way people admire the astronauts who went to the moon. They are doing something ordinary mortals could not - and would not - do.

What they do out there is beyond the bounds of comprehension of ordinary people: a combination of balance, feel, dexterity, skill, judgement and extreme levels of both bravery and physical fitness.

The sense of taking man and machine to limits of the laws of physics and human capability is at the heart of the appeal of F1. Top drivers are the best in the world with the most advanced, challenging and fastest cars science can produce within the limits imposed on them by the rule makers.

Those limits are there because the people who run F1 are fully aware of the dangers, and want to limit them as much as possible while maintaining the essence of the sport.

How to strike that balance is a debate played out, in rather less sombre circumstances, at virtually every race during a grand prix season.

Just two races ago, in Italy, there was a discussion about whether safety changes to the famous Parabolica corner - turning a gravel run-off into an asphalt one - had removed its challenge.

And the contradiction organisers are battling with was there again on Sunday.

There were the usual complaints about the race starting under the safety car after heavy rain, only for conditions to have improved so much that drivers were in for the lightly treaded 'intermediate tyres' within a couple of laps.

Yet later, after Bianchi's accident, there were criticisms that the race had not been stopped sooner when the rain came down heavier later on.
At Suzuka, where Bianchi crashed on Sunday, this contradiction is inherent in the track itself.

The drivers love the place because it is what they call an "old-school" circuit, an extreme driving challenge where the risk of an accident is much higher than at more modern circuits, which are often criticised as being sanitised and soulless.

Suzuka is often likened to a roller-coaster, but this is a roller-coaster where it is all too easy to come off the rails. Run-offs are small, and mistakes are often punished by impact with a barrier and a damaged car, rather than a second or two lost running wide into a vast expanse of asphalt.

For the drivers, the jeopardy inherent in Suzuka is not a bad thing, and for all the greater risk of a crash, very few drivers have been injured there. The run-offs may generally be smaller than those elsewhere, but they tend to do their job.

In any case, that is not why Bianchi, a popular and promising talent whose career is only just beginning, is in in intensive care in the Mie Prefectural General Medical Center in Yokkaichi.

The inquest into what went wrong, and how such an incident can be avoided in the future, has already started, and it will be long and detailed.

Although there was a lot of debate over the Japanese Grand Prix weekend about the timing of the race, with typhoon Phanfone approaching the mainland, the fact it was wet was only a circumstantial factor.

And debates about the timing of the race are essentially irrelevant. Whenever it was held on Sunday, it would have been wet; bands of rain of varying degrees of intensity passed across the track throughout the day.

Fundamentally, Bianchi's accident - and, more importantly, the fact that he suffered his awful injuries - was a combination of what world champion Sebastian Vettel called "a very unlucky place and unlucky timing".

Bianchi went off at the Dunlop corner, a fast uphill left-hander, which essentially forms the very last part of Suzuka's Esses, regarded by many drivers as the most demanding section of track in the world.

The run-off at Dunlop was extended a few years ago, but it remains relatively small in modern F1 terms - the tight confines of the land around Suzuka and the layout of the track mean it would be hard to make it any bigger than it is. So if a driver spins off at Dunlop, he is going to hit the impact-absorbing barrier, as Suaber's Adrian Sutil did the lap before Bianchi's crash.

What will almost certainly be the central discussion point in the analysis of what went wrong was that Bianchi's car hit a tractor vehicle that had been sent out to recover Sutil's car. Pictures suggest the impact may have torn the roll-hoop off Bianchi's car, which is there to protect the driver's head.

There is ongoing research into the use of extra cockpit head protection in F1 cars. Officials say it is inevitable this will be introduced once a suitable way to do so has been established. Which is no easy task.

But this is aimed at protecting drivers' heads from flying wheels and it is doubtful it would protect a driver from an impact with a tractor or a crane.
As they worked on Sutil's car, marshals were giving the most extreme form of warning to drivers before a race stoppage - double waved yellow flags.

Despite that, Bianchi lost control because his car, like Sutil's, aquaplaned. That means it effectively floated on top of the water on the track, which can easily happen with an F1 car. In such circumstances, there is nothing a driver can do.

There was a remarkably similar incident at Suzuka 20 years ago, when McLaren driver Martin Brundle spun off a couple of hundred metres further along the track from Bianchi's incident.

At the time, Brundle narrowly missed a tractor unit, and he has talked since that he thought it might be curtains for him. Instead, he hit and badly injured a marshal, who was recovering the car of another driver who had gone off a few minutes earlier.

Despite that, cranes continue to be used occasionally to recover crashed cars in F1 and until now no-one really thought anything about it.
The combination of circumstances at Suzuka - worsening rain, fading light, a small run-off area, a driver losing control despite waved caution flags -highlighted the risks.

As always, though, it is a complicated issue.
It is easy to say the vehicle should not have been there. Yet cars need to be recovered somehow, because hitting a stranded racing car at speed is dangerous in itself.

So there will surely be discussions as to what can be done about this - perhaps putting a safety car out to neutralise the race before a recovery vehicle is used, or finding some way to make them less dangerous things to hit.

It has been five years since a driver was as seriously injured in an accident as this at a grand prix. That was when Felipe Massa was hit on the helmet by a suspension part from another car in Hungary 2009.

"We get used to it when nothing happens and then suddenly we are all surprised," said Mercedes non-executive chairman Niki Lauda, a man who came close to death in a fiery accident in the 1976 German Grand Prix and still bears the scars.

"But we always have to be aware that motor racing is always dangerous - and this accident today is a coming together of various different things.
"One car goes off, the truck comes out and the next car goes off and this was very unfortunate.

"There could be a lesson learned that in the difficult conditions of today, in the race, that [the governing body] could have acted differently."
Safety has come a long way in motorsport, and the FIA is constantly striving to improve it.

But the unfortunate reality of motor racing is that sometimes lessons are learned the hard way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29497692

[CJ]

The Willi is a low drag slippery car. When down force is needed particularly in wet races they don't get enough heat in the tyres.

A wet race generally sees them go backwards.

The rddbull chassis with a merc power train would be asking some very tough questions of the Marc factory team.

[RichC]

Not a good day for F1

Former Formula 1 driver Andrea De Cesaris has died at the age of 55.

The Italian was killed in a motorbike accident in Rome, the official F1 website confirmed.

He started 208 races in his Formula 1 career between 1980 and 1994, but never won a Grand Prix, a record for the most races without a win.

He drove for British-based team McLaren for one season in 1981 and also raced for teams including Jordan, Brabham, Dallara, Cosworth and Alfa Romeo.

McLaren tweeted : "All at McLaren send condolences to ex-McLaren #F1 driver Andrea De Cesaris, who sadly passed away today."

De Cesaris won world championship points for nine of the 10 teams he raced for and finished on the podium five times.

In 1982, aged 22, he became the then-youngest driver to start a Grand Prix from the front of the grid after he took his sole career pole, with Alfa Romeo, at the US West round.

Following his F1 career, he raced in the Grand Prix Masters series for two seasons in 2005 and 2006 alongside veterans including Nigel Mansell, Emerson Fittipaldi and Ricardo Patrese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29501069

[meffin]

Apparently, contrary to earlier reports, he isn't actually breathing unaided- he's hooked up to a respirator.

Sounds very, very serious. Hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery, like Massa- although Massa's wasn't nearly as bad.

[Gaz]

How long has Martin Brundle been banging on about how dangerous it is to have tractors out to recover crashed vehicles, it's not the first incident of this type, wasn't a marshall crushed by one of the recovery vehicles earlier this season? At the very least when one of them is deployed to an active racetrack the safety car should be sent out.

From the picture that was floating about yesterday it looks as though Bianchi's car has left the track and gone backwards into the tractor, I'll be amazed if we ever see him in a race car again

[BobTheCharmer]

Brundle just loves to moan about stuff, it was an unfortunate incident. The conditions weren't so bad that cars were flying off the track like we have seen before, Sutil went off under normal race conditions, fine no problem, then under yellows everybody else managed to avoid any problems apart from the unfortunate bianchi. Obviously the only concern is with bianchi and rightly so, but does anyone know if he was at fault? Why was he flying off when he should be going slow? Was he inexperienced in the conditions? No one else did as far as I know. Yes the tractor was there, but it was trying to move the car to enable to race to continue, do we really want the race stopped every time? Its so rare an incident. It's freakish. Just hope the lad pulls through, whether he races again is irrelevant, no one has a right to be a racer, he's been fortunate to live the dream. Just underlines how dangerous Motorsport can be.

[Daniel 7]

I haven't seen anything that hints at his impact speed. Referring back to the Wendlinger crash in the 90's, that was a relatively low speed impact (about 60mph), so its quite possible he was coasting (by F1 standards) and aquaplaned off.

[meffin]

[G]

Looks very much like it was head first from those pics. Grim.

[kingfunk]

Apparently, contrary to earlier reports, he isn't actually breathing unaided- he's hooked up to a respirator.

Sounds very, very serious. Hope he pulls through and makes a full recovery, like Massa- although Massa's wasn't nearly as bad.

Pretty standard after neuro surgery, he will be kept in a induced coma for a period of time to reduce intercranial pressure.
You can't be in a induced coma AND breath for your self, so fingers crossed for when the time comes to bring him round.

[Vermilion]

I don't know if i'm doing a Gary Neville here and being overly critical, but is it not bodering on negligence that those tractors don't have surround safety bumbers fitted to stop these cars going underneath and reduce impact in such an event ?

Is it really so much to ask in a billion pound sport ?

[Camble]

I don't know if i'm doing a Gary Neville here and being overly critical, but is it not bodering on negligence that those tractors don't have surround safety bumbers fitted to stop these cars going underneath and reduce impact in such an event ?

Is it really so much to ask in a billion pound sport ?

In hindsight you'd think so, but until an accident happens it's hard to think of so many different possible scenarios.

[Vermilion]

In hindsight you'd think so, but until an accident happens it's hard to think of so many different possible scenarios.

I know it's hindsight, but they look at the safety aspect a lot, and there are only so many things a car can hit on a circuit, a wall, another car, or a recovery vehicle, the first two they have covered, just think it's something they overlooked and it could have been easily rectified, and i do feel it's something that could have been spotted when taking possible circuit impact points into consideration.

[Daniel 7]

I've seen the crash now, it looks like a 60mph or even less, so no negligence on his part. Its shocking to see though