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The question is do people rank a victory in a once a year cycle race of extreme stamina and strength as highly as finally not being as **** as every male tennis player the country has produced for 75 years - a man who managed to win 1 of the 4 big tournaments of the year.
Take away the fact that no British person has won Wimbledon for so long and Murray's achievement on its own is not truly spectacular. Obviously its much mroe than any of us will ever achieve in professional sport but compared to other achievements it just seems a bit meh.
The question is do people rank a victory in a once a year cycle race of extreme stamina and strength as highly as finally not being as **** as every male tennis player the country has produced for 75 years - a man who managed to win 1 of the 4 big tournaments of the year.
Take away the fact that no British person has won Wimbledon for so long and Murray's achievement on its own is not truly spectacular. Obviously its much mroe than any of us will ever achieve in professional sport but compared to other achievements it just seems a bit meh.
When you consider the piss poor infrastructure for tennis over here, it is a pretty remarkable achievement. Also he has to overcome arguably the three greatest players of all time - in fact in my view they are the best three ever - to win a tournament. Sure, he might not have to beat them all - indeed at Wimbledon he "only" had to beat Djokovic - but what a win it was. I think Murray will be a fully deserving winner.
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Take away the fact that no British person has won Wimbledon for so long and Murray's achievement on its own is not truly spectacular. Obviously its much mroe than any of us will ever achieve in professional sport but compared to other achievements it just seems a bit meh.
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This statement makes no sense.
Saying winning Wimbledon is 'more than any of us will ever achieve' is a massive understatements, it is an irrelevant comparison !!! That no brittish man had won wombledon in 77 years, and none at all in the Open era, makes it a staggering achievement. The pressure Murray was under, and the opponent he overcame in the final make it a staggering achievement, surely exactly the criteria that we use to judge, its like saying take away the fact that he was the first GB winner and Wiggins winning the Tour wasn't much of an achievement. These are the pinnacles in each sport.
(Your 'a bit meh' at the end makes me suspect you are wumming!)
Here are the five contenders revealed so far on The One Show in a bit more detail:
Ben Ainslie: Ainslie was widely credited with turning around Team USA's fortunes in the America's Cup having been brought in as tactician with the hosts coming from behind to win the last eight races and pull off a remarkable come-from-behind victory.
Ian Bell: The Warwickshire batsman contributed significantly to a summer of Ashes success with three centuries and his series-leading 562 runs - scored at an average of 62.44 - was 144 better than his nearest rival.
Hannah Cockroft: Having been awarded an MBE in the New Year Honours, Cockroft retained both her T34 100 metres and T34 200 metres titles at the IPC Athletics World Championships in Lyon and won the T33/T34 100 metres race at the Anniversary Games at the Olympic Stadium with a stadium record time of 17.80 seconds.
Mo Farah: Farah continued where he left off in 2012 by winning both 5,000m and 10,000m world titles in Moscow, as well as breaking Steve Cram's 28-year-old British 1,500m record in Monaco in July.
Chris Froome: May lack the broader public profile afforded his Great Britain team-mate Sir Bradley Wiggins but proved equally adept on two wheels by succeeding Wiggins as winner of the Tour de France.
Here is a bit more detail on the remaining five nominees just announced:
Leigh Halfpenny: Halfpenny played in all three Lions tests in Australia in the summer and was named as player of the series, having already been voted Six Nations player of the year as Wales retained their title.
AP McCoy: The 2010 winner enjoyed another dominant year in the saddle, culminating in sealing his 4,000th career winner when his mount Mountain Tunes won at Towcester in early November.
Andy Murray: Ended Great Britain's 77-year wait for a men's singles Wimbledon title when he beat Novak Djokovic in straight sets on Centre Court, having also previously lost in the Australian Open final to Djokovic.
Christine Ohuruogu: Ohuruogu bounced back from the disappointment of her silver medal in London by winning her second 400m world title in Moscow, pipping Amantle Montsho by the narrowest of margins.
Justin Rose: Finally made good on his early career promise by winning the US Open at Merion, overhauling five-time major winner Phil Mickelson to become the first English winner of the event in 43 years.
When you consider the piss poor infrastructure for tennis over here, it is a pretty remarkable achievement. Also he has to overcome arguably the three greatest players of all time - in fact in my view they are the best three ever - to win a tournament. Sure, he might not have to beat them all - indeed at Wimbledon he "only" had to beat Djokovic - but what a win it was. I think Murray will be a fully deserving winner.
The bit in bold is quite true, but Murray has had more cash thrown at him by the LTA then everyone else combined - At one point they were paying his previous coach something like £750k a year. He was also had is Spanish stay funded by the LTA when he was a junior.
That said, to beat Djokovic in 3 straight sets was a massive plus point when you consider the pressure.
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