David Haye' venture into the Heavyweight division.

[kurtangle01]

I don't see anything other than a Haye win tomorrow. I'll go for a 9th round KO/TKO.

Should be well worth a watch and for those of you in the Londond area tickets are still availabe.

Predictions please.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

Hayes, stoppage in 6.

[bazza76]

haven't seen enough of the lad to comment tbh.

[bazza76]

Hayes, stoppage in 6.
HAve you ever trained with him Mike?

[Jaco_Pastorious]

HAve you ever trained with him Mike?



Nope, been at a few of his fights though. He should win easily enough. He seems to have learned from mistakes earlier in his career, and improved as a result. He has a good old school trainer/manager in Adam Booth, a man who coaches in the right way and looks after his fighters, in and out of the ring.


Tomasz Bonin is a bit of a bum, but he does have a decent dig on him and has some durability.


Would like to see Hayes and Enzo Maccarinelli in the one ring. If only to be done with all the hype about Maccarinelli.

[kurtangle01]

haven't seen enough of the lad to comment tbh.


Watch this tonight then, bazza. You might just be impressed. I know that I've always been with Haye.

[kurtangle01]

Nope, been at a few of his fights though. He should win easily enough. He seems to have learned from mistakes earlier in his career, and improved as a result. He has a good old school trainer/manager in Adam Booth, a man who coaches in the right way and looks after his fighters, in and out of the ring.


Tomasz Bonin is a bit of a bum, but he does have a decent dig on him and has some durability.


Would like to see Hayes and Enzo Maccarinelli in the one ring. If only to be done with all the hype about Maccarinelli.


Haye would KO him. No way will Warren let that fight happen.

[Howard_lfc]

Watch this tonight then, bazza. You might just be impressed. I know that I've always been with Haye.

Even the Carl Thompson fight? :haha:

[kurtangle01]

Even the Carl Thompson fight? :haha:

He was a bit green at the time an it showed. He's improved alot since then.:finger:

[Howard_lfc]

He was a bit green at the time an it showed. He's improved alot since then.:finger:

I agree squire. :handshake:

However - if Carl Thompson can stop him - how will he cope with a dig off a full blown heavyweight?

[kurtangle01]

I agree squire. :handshake:

However - if Carl Thompson can stop him - how will he cope with a dig off a full blown heavyweight?


That's a very good point, mate.:handshake:

I think Bonnin has been cleverly selected though, if you know what I mean. Haye has come in the heavier of the 2 and has probably face bigger Cruiserweights in his career.

It's when he eventually steps up to Heavyweight full time and starts banging with the big boys that we'll see if he can cope.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

That's a very good point, mate.:handshake:

I think Bonnin has been cleverly selected though, if you know what I mean. Haye has come in the heavier of the 2 and has probably face bigger Cruiserweights in his career.

It's when he eventually steps up to Heavyweight full time and starts banging with the big boys that we'll see if he can cope.




Haye is weighing in at 15 and a half stone for this fight, Bonin wll be about a stone to 21lbs heavier than that. Bonin rarely drops below 16 and a half for fights.


It is a decent first step into heavyweight waters for Haye, in terms of opponent. I'm still going with Haye to win by stoppage by the end of the sixth. I see Haye as a far more credible British heavyweight that Ordinary Harrison, but unless he can phase another 7 to 12lbs onto his frame in the next 12 months, I really wonder about his durability in this division.

I am really curious as to how his punching power will translate against better heavyweights than Bonin.

[kurtangle01]

Haye is weighing in at 15 and a half stone for this fight, Bonin wll be about a stone to 21lbs heavier than that. Bonin rarely drops below 16 and a half for fights.


It is a decent first step into heavyweight waters for Haye, in terms of opponent. I'm still going with Haye to win by stoppage by the end of the sixth. I see Haye as a far more credible British heavyweight that Ordinary Harrison, but unless he can phase another 7 to 12lbs onto his frame in the next 12 months, I really wonder about his durability in this division.

I am really curious as to how his punching power will translate against better heavyweights than Bonin.

Well, Bonin's only loss was against Ordinary so if David Haye doesn't beat him then it doesn't bode well for his prospects at Heavyweight. I think that Haye will have far to much for him tonight and am certain that the fight will end by KO/TKO.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

Well, Bonin's only loss was against Ordinary so if David Haye doesn't beat him then it doesn't bode well for his prospects at Heavyweight. I think that Haye will have far to much for him tonight and am certain that the fight will end by KO/TKO.



Ordinary took nine rounds to beat him, I rate Haye as a better fighter, so I am going for him to win in less time. In fact I would be shocked if he did not spark him by 6.


My worry about Haye is how he takes punches, and I am not just going on the fight against Carl Thompson. He has been floored in the past by a light-ish cruiserweight, although in his defence, he did get up to win well.


He has grown on me though, I like his brashness and the fact he is growing a rep for training hard and listening to ideas. I think he is an intelligent fighter. His heart is good, although he can be a little too brave and too inclined to get into a trading war at times, but I much prefer knowing that a fighter is prepared to go into the trenches than wondering what will happen when he does.

I have been critical about him in the past, but I have become less so, and the more I see of him in the ring, the less reason I have to be critical. His ring loss was a great life lesson to the kid.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

No competition for Haye.

What a waste for the crowd haha

[kurtangle01]

1st round blow out.

He's certainly carried his power up with him.

[lfc4ever]

Well I tuned in, and what a waste of time, over in 90 seconds!

[kurtangle01]

He looked so relaxed. I was looking forward to a few rounds but this guy wasn't in Haye' league.

[kurtangle01]

Well I tuned in, and what a waste of time, over in 90 seconds!


You obvioulsy value those 90 seconds.:crackoff:

[kurtangle01]

They're 2 fine pieces of pussy stood beside Haye in the ring!:jizz:

[Jaco_Pastorious]

1st round blow out.

He's certainly carried his power up with him.


To think, that guy lasted 26 minutes against Ordinary Harrison. Really does show up how much of a fruad he was as a "boxer"





Haye did what he came to do, and kept himself on course for a clash with O' Neil Bell, which would be a cracking fight methinks, if it comes about.

[kurtangle01]

To think, that guy lasted 26 minutes against Ordinary Harrison. Really does show up how much of a fruad he was as a "boxer"





Haye did what he came to do, and kept himself on course for a clash with O' Neil Bell, which would be a cracking fight methinks, if it comes about.

Jean Marc Mormeck beat Bell last month so it's Mormeck next for Haye. I wonder where the fight will be? It would be a huge success if Frank Maloney could stage the fight in this country but I've got a feeling that Don King will ensure that the fight takes place in France, probably Paris.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

Jean Marc Mormeck beat Bell last month so it's Mormeck next for Haye. I wonder where the fight will be? It would be a huge success if Frank Maloney could stage the fight in this country but I've got a feeling that Don King will ensure that the fight takes place in France, probably Paris.



Nope, O'Neil Bell and Haye have already expressed a strong interest in meeting, and a lot hinged on Haye winning tonight. There has been a lot of talk between both camps and after tonight, pens should be put to paper fast. The winner of Haye/O' Neil Bell looks like getting a shot at Mormeck.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

As a maybe linked bit of news, Herbie Hide has just won tonight at cruiserweight in a fight in Germany. He knocked out Pavol Polakovic in the sixth.

[kurtangle01]

Nope, O'Neil Bell and Haye have already expressed a strong interest in meeting, and a lot hinged on Haye winning tonight. There has been a lot of talk between both camps and after tonight, pens should be put to paper fast. The winner of Haye/O' Neil Bell looks like getting a shot at Mormeck.

Haye will fight Mormeck next. The winner has been told that they must fight Bell as Bell had a rematch clause in his contract when he fought Mormeck last month.

There is absoloutely no reason for David Haye to fight O'Neil Bell at the moment when he's already the mandatory for Mormeck.

Frank Maloney said himself tonight that negotiations were already under way for a fight with Mormeck and they had 30 days to conclude private negotiations. If they can't complete the negotiation process in that time the fight will go to purse bids.:handshake:

[kurtangle01]

As a maybe linked bit of news, Herbie Hide has just won tonight at cruiserweight in a fight in Germany. He knocked out Pavol Polakovic in the sixth.


He's not even in the picture so expect him to fight Macarinelli soon!:p

[Jaco_Pastorious]

He's not even in the picture so expect him to fight Macarinelli soon!:p




Maccarinelli won't want to take a risk against Hide. Hide may be washed up, but may still have enough to beat a nomark like Maccarinelli.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

Haye will fight Mormeck next. The winner has been told that they must fight Bell as Bell had a rematch clause in his contract when he fought Mormeck last month.

There is absoloutely no reason for David Haye to fight O'Neil Bell at the moment when he's already the mandatory for Mormeck.

Frank Maloney said himself tonight that negotiations were already under way for a fight with Mormeck and they had 30 days to conclude private negotiations. If they can't complete the negotiation process in that time the fight will go to purse bids.:handshake:




I have a very stong feeling that it will be announced in the boxing press that there will have to be an elimination fight to get to fight Mormeck. Mormeck does not want to give up one of his belts, something he will have to do if he fights Haye before O'Neil Bell. Don't be surprised if Mormeck reports having an injury soon, and Haye ends up against O'Neil Bell, with the winner of that contesting three belts, IBF, WBA, and WBC. I have long ignored the post fight talk of managers saying who they will be fighting next. How often have we heard Warren promise that his fighters will be meeting top notch fighters? Are Calzaghe beat Manfredo, there was talk of him meeting Hopkins or Taylor. Both of whom have upcoming fights that were going ahead when Warren was touting them as upcoming opponents, and still have their fights now. Taylor was dismissive straight away of Warren's claim, and stated on live TV that if Warren puts up $10 million that he will come and fight Calzaghe in Wales. Warren has not replied at all to this. Maloney is not as bad as Warren, but he has talked plenty of shite after a fight too.

[kurtangle01]

I have a very stong feeling that it will be announced in the boxing press that there will have to be an elimination fight to get to fight Mormeck. Mormeck does not want to give up one of his belts, something he will have to do if he fights Haye before O'Neil Bell. Don't be surprised if Mormeck reports having an injury soon, and Haye ends up against O'Neil Bell, with the winner of that contesting three belts, IBF, WBA, and WBC. I have long ignored the post fight talk of managers saying who they will be fighting next. How often have we heard Warren promise that his fighters will be meeting top notch fighters? Are Calzaghe beat Manfredo, there was talk of him meeting Hopkins or Taylor. Both of whom have upcoming fights that were going ahead when Warren was touting them as upcoming opponents, and still have their fights now. Taylor was dismissive straight away of Warren's claim, and stated on live TV that if Warren puts up $10 million that he will come and fight Calzaghe in Wales. Warren has not replied at all to this. Maloney is not as bad as Warren, but he has talked plenty of shite after a fight too.

There will be no need for Mormeck to give up his belts if he fights David Haye because Haye is the mandatory challenger. He's rated #1 challenger by the WBC. They're already saying that if both promoters can't agree terms the fight will go to purse bids. The fight between Mormeck and bell was only sanctioned because the winner was told that he would have to defend his belts against Haye in their very next fight. O'Neil bell is out of the picture at this time and will remain so until Haye gets his shot at Mormeck.

[kurtangle01]

P.S.

It's not Frank Warren we're dealing with in this case though, is it?

[kurtangle01]

IBF
Krysztof Wlodarczyk


WBC
Jean-Marc Mormeck


WBA
Jean-Marc Mormeck


WBO
Enzo Maccarinelli

Mormeck doesn't hold the IBF title either.:handshake:

[kurtangle01]

Just checked and Haye is rated #1 contender by the WBC and Bell is rated #2. Haye is ranked at 6 by the WBA while bell is rated at 4. There's no way that Mormeck would be forced to give up his WBC title for fighting his mandatory instead of O'neill Bell and the fact that Bell is rated so low by the WBA means that Mormeck wouldn't have to hand that title back for fighting Haye before bell.

[Howard_lfc]

As a maybe linked bit of news, Herbie Hide has just won tonight at cruiserweight in a fight in Germany. He knocked out Pavol Polakovic in the sixth.

Herbie was a great fighter - in his own head.
It's just that his head was up his arse!!

[kurtangle01]

Herbie was a great fighter - in his own head.
It's just that his head was up his arse!!:haha:

[Jaco_Pastorious]

Herbie was a great fighter - in his own head.
It's just that his head was up his arse!!



Hide thought he was Ali. I still wince at the gulf in class when he stepped into the ring with Riddock Bowe.

[Hollowman]

I remember early in the Bowe fight Riddick slipped and fell flat on his face, arms by his side. For one ghastly moment I thought Hide had snatched his chin.

[Jaco_Pastorious]

I remember early in the Bowe fight Riddick slipped and fell flat on his face, arms by his side. For one ghastly moment I thought Hide had snatched his chin.


Yeah, and then normal service was resumed. :haha: