Let's laugh at Sam 'Fat F***' Allardyce

[Kenneth]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7161123.stm

Allardyce hits out at his players

Newcastle boss Sam Allardyce is unhappy that his future as manager is in the hands of his under-performing players.
The pressure on Toon boss Allardyce intensified after their dismal 1-0 defeat at Wigan on Boxing Day.

Magpies owner Mike Ashley was among the 5,500 travelling fans and heard the majority voice their frustration at their side's performance.

And when asked if he was happy that his future is in the hands of his players, Allardyce said: "No, not really."


The Magpies boss added: "But these are the players I've got. Some I've bought and some I haven't.

"Some have showed me what they can do, in fact most of them have showed me what they can do on the good side of things.

But too many are showing me what they can do on the bad side of it.

Newcastle, 11th in the table with 26 points from 19 games, managed one shot on target at Wigan.

Ryan Taylor's second-half free-kick was enough to hand the Latics a victory at the JJB Stadium and increase the pressure on Allardyce's future at St James' Park.

Allardyce laid the blame for the defeat squarely at the feet of his team and agreed with the supporters' assessment of the performance.

He added: "If I was them I would be singing what they sang because we're not good enough."

"I know it's not good enough, so it doesn't take much for them to work out it's not good enough. They are not daft.

"The level of form the players have dropped to is unacceptable."

Former Newcastle and England winger Chris Waddle believes the pressure will be eased on Allardyce if the former Bolton boss buys creative players in the January transfer window.

"The fans are frustrated because they like their entertaining football and the football now is not entertaining," Waddle told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"When Kevin Keegan came back to the club he brought a lot of entertaining football and the fans thoroughly enjoyed what they were seeing.

"Now the football is not entertaining. They have not got creative players. On the whole they have not got players who entertain the crowd and the football is very direct at times.

"The fans will stick by them because they are so loyal to the club but I think it will be interesting in January if he (Allardyce) brings in a couple of flair players."



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Horrible corrupt shit of a man. Soon to be sacked by Newcastle, no England Job available, it's all go wrong for him.

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/allardyce-rafa-and-i-do-not-get-on-18020433.html

http://www.lfctoronto.com/blog/2007/09/allardyce-rafa-lucky-to-still-have-job.html

[Guest]

He has a point though. Their fans are fickle, just as some of ours are. :handshake:

[Jaymo]

i like the way it may never EVER be down to poor management on his part, no no.. it's always the 'players'

[dww]

I think Alladyce has to be given time to create the pattern of play he wants. He has had to overhaul a club with a bad culture of under-achievement and a terrible defense. He has bought in a lot of new players and a different philosophy to the team. He needs to be allowed to bed this in before people start bleating about their lack of creative players.

They have Emre, Duff, Milner, N'Zogbia and Viduka which is a decent core and with a solid goal scorer in Martins they have most of what they need offensively to progress IMO.

[Kenneth]

He has a point though. Their fans are fickle, just as some of ours are. :handshake:

All fans are fickle. Losing to Derby, Wigan and reading, scraping a few draws such as against Derby, not to mention being given a football lesson by us and Pompey at St James' isn't going to galvanise support though.

[Kenneth]

I think Alladyce has to be given time to create the pattern of play he wants. He has had to overhaul a club with a bad culture of under-achievement and a terrible defense. He has bought in a lot of new players and a different philosophy to the team. He needs to be allowed to bed this in before people start bleating about their lack of creative players.

They have Emre, Duff, Milner, N'Zogbia and Viduka which is a decent core and with a solid goal scorer in Martins they have most of what they need offensively to progress IMO. Except for a manager who plays offensively.

Bringing in Smith and Barton says all you need to know about how he wants to play.

[dww]

Except for a manager who plays offensively.

I think most people find Fat Sam quite offensive :D

[AFII]

He has been found out now when the supporters want the team to play attacking football.

Sam don't have a clue how to do that. That's why they are having problems against teams that sit back and let them control the game.

[Guest]

All fans are fickle. Losing to Derby, Wigan and reading, scraping a few draws such as against Derby, not to mention being given a football lesson by us and Pompey at St James' isn't going to galzanise support though.

:crackoff:

[dww]

Except for a manager who plays offensively.

Bringing in Smith and Barton says all you need to know about how he wants to play.

I think that is part of his core style but with Bolton he added more flair with Anelka, Diouf and Stelios when he could and relegated the likes of Davies to the bench. I think he wants to get the core of the team playing the style he wants and might then introduce more attacking play. Which seems a sensible way to work IMO.

The problem has been that so far his efforts to shape a new and vaguely solid defense have been pitiful.

[Kenneth]

http://drgloom.co.uk/post_mortems/postmortem_frameset.html

[Guest]

He has been found out now when the supporters want the team to play attacking football.

Sam don't have a clue how to do that. That's why they are having problems against teams that sit back and let them control the game.

Sami is a good passer of the ball but he's probably a bit slow to spot the early pass towards an unmarked player. That is why an Alonso type player, sitting deep and distributing the ball (like a sweeper) is needed in our game.

To be fair to him, it's not easy passing the ball out of defense in the premiership as you're under constant pressure all the time and if the movement isn't good and the passing isn't quick and sharp, teams struggle.

[Alpha]

Sami is a good passer of the ball but he's probably a bit slow to spot the early pass towards an unmarked player. That is why an Alonso type player, sitting deep and distributing the ball (like a sweeper) is needed in our game.

To be fair to him, it's not easy passing the ball out of defense in the premiership as you're under constant pressure all the time and if the movement isn't good and the passing isn't quick and sharp, teams struggle.
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[Guest]

:haha:

:eyebrow:

[Kenneth]

Sami is a good passer of the ball but he's probably a bit slow to spot the early pass towards an unmarked player. That is why an Alonso type player, sitting deep and distributing the ball (like a sweeper) is needed in our game.

To be fair to him, it's not easy passing the ball out of defense in the premiership as you're under constant pressure all the time and if the movement isn't good and the passing isn't quick and sharp, teams struggle.

So true, and so utterly irrelevant to the thread :crackoff:

[Guest]

So true, and so utterly irrelevant to the thread :crackoff:

I went on a bender there :haha:

[CharlieMansonsSquint]

I think Alladyce has to be given time to create the pattern of play he wants. He has had to overhaul a club with a bad culture of under-achievement and a terrible defense. He has bought in a lot of new players and a different philosophy to the team. He needs to be allowed to bed this in before people start bleating about their lack of creative players.

They have Emre, Duff, Milner, N'Zogbia and Viduka which is a decent core and with a solid goal scorer in Martins they have most of what they need offensively to progress IMO.

It all depends on the new owner. Under that imbecile Shepherd, as soon as things started to go wrong, and the fans turned - can't have the natives not perusing the club shop, can we? - the manager was always the fall guy.

The fans have turned. So what now?

[dww]

It all depends on the new owner. Under that imbecile Shepherd, as soon as things started to go wrong, and the fans turned - can't have the natives not perusing the club shop, can we? - the manager was always the fall guy.

The fans have turned. So what now?

I suspect he has until the end of the season with a very limited January budget to show improvement. He wasn't Ashley's choice and I think he wants to see something more like Man City happen with the team.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

If he lasts till the end of the season i would be very surprised.

If the Circus take the example of Man City and hire a big name Manager then that does the clubs alot of good...

1) You get a good manager with european knowledge and experience

2) You can attract big name players

.....and so on

[dww]

If he lasts till the end of the season i would be very surprised.

If the Circus take the example of Man City and hire a big name Manager then that does the clubs alot of good...

1) You get a good manager with european knowledge and experience

2) You can attract big name players

.....and so on

Have Man City attracted any big names?

[thesilverfoxlfc]

Have Man City attracted any big names?

...just cause you are a mod do you think you can question me sonny :crackoff:

[bigfooty]

Enrique and Smith were both strange purchases.

[thesilverfoxlfc]

...and making Smith the captian last week and having Geremi as the club captain WTF is that about strange captains to have

[Joe King]

Newcastle need to realise that Rome wasn't built in a day. They have had allsorts of managers since their glory time with Keegan and they haven't been exactly title contenders since. Sam Allardyce was the fans choice so they need to rally behind him and encourage the team, not boo it when they hoof it forward. It is going to take time, they need to first get a top ten finish this season which will be some improvement on the seasons that have gone by.

Allardyce was born with the mentality at Bolton that they were the underdog so they could sit with their 4-5-1 system and let teams attack them and hit them on the break or score with a set piece. Now with Newcastle who clearly suffer from delusions of grandeur, they want to see attacking football. If they concede 5 and score 4, they will be happy because they have been entertained. Its something that has happened since Keegan was there. What Keegan done could simply have been the worse possible thing to the club. That brand of football, that number 9 scoring 30 goals, is what the fans want but with Allardyce's inability to bring in new players during the season, long injury list especially Michael Owen who would make a difference against some of the clubs they play, they will just have to tough out the bad times and enjoy the old days until some success comes. When that success will come, you can guarantee every Geordie will be singing Fat Sam's praises. For the meantime, lets all laugh at the underachievements of Newcastle.

[dww]

I think Owen has been a problem for Sam actually. He seemed to want to show he could handle a big player as an interview for England and played him when it wasn't best for the team or Owen. I really think that Owen at this stage of his career doesn't fit in the pattern of play Alladyce is trying to establish and both would benefit from him being sold.

[Joe King]

I think Owen has been a problem for Sam actually. He seemed to want to show he could handle a big player as an interview for England and played him when it wasn't best for the team or Owen. I really think that Owen at this stage of his career doesn't fit in the pattern of play Alladyce is trying to establish and both would benefit from him being sold.

Yep, Allardyce wants to establish a hard working, very disciplined side with big strikers who can handle a bit of the rough stuff. At this moment, with Owen being in and out of the side, it just disrupts the preparations of the team and with the money they paid for Owen, he has somewhat of a divine right to start.