Alves goes AWOL

[Pacman]

I cant stand the goofy over-rated show pony but for 80 nicker id have him like

£80 mil

[Red Chilli]

At half time in the next Sevilla match, the president should be allowed to put Alves in the stocks and then have the crowd pelt him with rancid fruit and veg.
It's not the chairman he's disrespecting, it's not the president, it's not the club, it's the FANS. THEY pay his wages, they buy shirts with his name on. He is an utter disgrace.

[Pacman]

At half time in the next Sevilla match, the president should be allowed to put Alves in the stocks and then have the crowd pelt him with rancid fruit and veg.
It's not the chairman he's disrespecting, it's not the president, it's not the club, it's the FANS. THEY pay his wages, they buy shirts with his name on. He is an utter disgrace.

[paulcooper4]

At half time in the next Sevilla match, the president should be allowed to put Alves in the stocks and then have the crowd pelt him with rancid fruit and veg.
It's not the chairman he's disrespecting, it's not the president, it's not the club, it's the FANS. THEY pay his wages, they buy shirts with his name on. He is an utter disgrace.

[spud_gun]

AFII the buy out clause is open to any club fact.

Graham Hunter was on sky this morning explaining exactly how it works. He was talking about Ronaldinho to Chelsea and he went into great depths about how Chelsea would need to match the £80 buyout clause in order to buy him. He even explained how it all worked and how the money would be sent to the Spanish FA etc so you are talking bollocks mate.

So how did we end up with Torres for some 10 million or so less than his buyout clause?

[Pacman]

So how did we end up with Torres for some 10 million or so less than his buyout clause?

Because Torres wanted out and wanted to join us Madrid thought it was the best time to cash in

The buyout clause is just that it doesn't mean a club can't accept a lower amount . It rarely get's used because they are stupidly high but it covers the clubs if the don't want to sell a player like Ronaldinho to Chelsea.

[paulcooper4]

So how did we end up with Torres for some 10 million or so less than his buyout clause?

tremendous display of pissingonsomeoneschipsmanry

[JohnDoe]

So how did we end up with Torres for some 10 million or so less than his buyout clause?

Because Torres wanted out and wanted to join us Madrid thought it was the best time to cash in

And he had two years left on his contract.

[CJ]

i think this is a bit more complicated than we are making out

there are two things here

the first is did the president have an agreement with Alves that he could go if a club matched his valuation of say £18M.

If he did then yes Alves is within his right to be pissed off. there was an agreement there. Same sort of thing as Heinze with the scum really


Now if he really wants to leave then he could forgoe some money for the move

i dont like players going on strike it leaves a bitter taste but i suppose if the president keeps going back on his word then it might be his only option. Maybe alves signed a new contract on the word of the president ie if you sign i will let you go for X million.

Now i agree with people saying holding someone to a contract is like slavery etc Cant remember who said it but its here on this thread somewhere.

i think the key difference is the player has a choice whether to sign or not and i personally think that even if they are held to it they get paid a hell of a lot and this is a downside for them.

[Pacman]

i think this is a bit more complicated than we are making out

there are two things here

the first is did the president have an agreement with Alves that he could go if a club matched his valuation of say £18M.

If he did then yes Alves is within his right to be pissed off. there was an agreement there. Same sort of thing as Heinze with the scum really

Why didn't Alves get his buyout clause dropped then? The Alves situation is nothing like the Heinze situation we bid the money United wanted and they wouldn't sell simple. No-one has bid the money Sevilla want so it's tough ****.

Now if he really wants to leave then he could forgoe some money for the move

Which he wont because he is a greedy ****

i dont like players going on strike it leaves a bitter taste but i suppose if the president keeps going back on his word then it might be his only option. Maybe alves signed a new contract on the word of the president ie if you sign i will let you go for X million.

What about the fans who pay his wages and sing his name? They deserve more respect.

Now i agree with people saying holding someone to a contract is like slavery etc Cant remember who said it but its here on this thread somewhere.

i think the key difference is the player has a choice whether to sign or not and i personally think that even if they are held to it they get paid a hell of a lot and this is a downside for them.

[CJ]

pacman

it could be the same as heinze. if and this is the if. say he said i will sell you if a club bids £X. it looks like clubs have bid £X . but he then say no changed my mind i think your worth more now.

if this has happened then i can see alves point. but your right if he wants to go then he should forgoe some money.

on the get out clause i think they are pretty much seen as useless really

[Pacman]

pacman

it could be the same as heinze. if and this is the if. say he said i will sell you if a club bids £X. it looks like clubs have bid £X . but he then say no changed my mind i think your worth more now.

if this has happened then i can see alves point. but your right if he wants to go then he should forgoe some money.

on the get out clause i think they are pretty much seen as useless really

AFII is saying that the Sevilla president said when he signed his new deal that if a bid of 18mil came in for him they would sell him. If this is true why didn't they put his buy out clause to 18mil?

[Diego]

i find the views on here very one sided and tainted. you look at a player as a commodity some one that is only at the clubs disposal, times are changing, players have more power they are no longer slaves of their contract and football is slowly moving towards European employment laws, where the right of the person valued higher than the clubs. i don't want this to happen as it will ruin football but there has to be a middle ground cause it's not long since players had no rights at all...

usually i hate when players kick up a fuzz, like the little **** derenthe did the other week, he's hardly played for his club and already messing with them, the club didn't accept reals valuation and he kicks up a fuzz in no time bringing them to court, feyenoord eventually settled for about 11 mill for him, clubs are afraid of taking players transfers to court. alves has been a loyal servant of the club for 5 years, played out of his skin and helped the team to a number of titles, he deserves a little more respect from del nido. some of the biggest teams in the world have been chasing him for a number of years and he has been nothing but loyal to his club, he didn't say anything last year or the year before when we amongst others where bidding for them, he did say that he would like to stay for one more season, and to show his respect to his club he signed a contract so that the club will get good money for him (unlike the bitch that was owen). i haven't seen any evidence that alves has threatened to take them into court, he hasn't come out with disrespectful statements, but i'm sure that will happen if this continues, they got him for little money and now they refuse a bid for 27 mill cause he was foolish to trust his chairman, he was sure that he would be respected, but he wasn't the chairman simply sees him as an ends to a mean...

i have no respect for Del Nido, he's not an honorable man and i would never want such a man to control my club, he's benfica all over again, who wants to deal with that kind of a man. he has brought great success to his club and fair play for that, but in this situation he is wrong, he is the greedy one...

[CJ]

pacman i understand what your saying.

but the norm is for a stupid sell out clause (though post abramovich they might not be quite so stupid)

yes it is an option and maybe alves is thinking the same now but maybe he took the president at his word. and thought the sell out clause doesnt matter as no one ever goes for that amount.

[JohnDoe]

Look at me, I'm a slave. Poor little me earns £80k a week for kicking a ball around and being idolized by thousands of fans. And you know what? I can only move clubs if my contract expires or my club is willing to sell me, so if that doesn't happen I can't get huge bonus fees and loyalty payments, outrageous