Steve McClown

[El Jefecito]

But if they qualify, and you bring in a new man with a load of new ideas to feed through, there's no stability.

Sod stability, sod the status quo. We don't need more of the same. We need a revolution. We need someone with big balls to break it apart and put it back together in away that works.

[Neil Young]

Sod stability, sod the status quo. We don't need more of the same. We need a revolution. We need someone with big balls to break it apart and put it back together in away that works.

What do you mean by "works"? Is it about how the team plays or is it simply about results? If it's the latter then what do you count as success - qualifying for finals, quarter-final, semi-final, final or winning a trophy?

[El Jefecito]

What do you mean by "works"? Is it about how the team plays or is it simply about results? If it's the latter then what do you count as success - qualifying for finals, quarter-final, semi-final, final or winning a trophy?

Define success whatever way you want. The thing is that by any definition Mcclaren will not get us there.

[Red Chilli]

Fat Sam would be worse than McLaren, he's never won anything and has no experience at International level. That would be change for change's sake.

Redknapp is too dodgy for the FA after the investigations into transfer irregularities.

Mourinho is the only sensible appointment IMO, it has to be someone who knows what they are doing.

[Neil Young]

Define success whatever way you want. The thing is that by any definition Mcclaren will not get us there.

Well, you have to define success really. Otherwise you can say he's successful if England win a game under him.

Personally I think if England fail to qualify for a finals of a major tournament then the manager has failed and should be sacked if he (or she ) doesn't resign immediately.

After that it's gets a bit more debatable.

I agree he's crap of course but I think it helps to be clear on what criteria the manager is to be judged.

[andyinswinton]

I agree he's crap of course but I think it helps to be clear on what criteria the manager is to be judged.

I think the mininmum that should be expected of an England manager is that we qualify for the major tournaments and then get through to the knockout stages.

After that it is very debatable, you can lose on penalties, bad refereeing decisions or it just being one of those days. But to me that is what the minimum requirement should be.

It then does come down to the talent that is available to the manager. Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales all have different ambitions because they have different qualities of players available.

[El Jefecito]

I think the mininmum that should be expected of an England manager is that we qualify for the major tournaments and then get through to the knockout stages.

After that it is very debatable, you can lose on penalties, bad refereeing decisions or it just being one of those days. But to me that is what the minimum requirement should be.

It then does come down to the talent that is available to the manager. Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales all have different ambitions because they have different qualities of players available.

For me England should be getting into the semi's of all competitions.

[Craig_H]

Sod stability, sod the status quo. We don't need more of the same. We need a revolution. We need someone with big balls to break it apart and put it back together in away that works.

Well, either way, i dont really care that much TBH.

[El Jefecito]

Well, either way, i dont really care that much TBH.

[Neil Young]

I think the mininmum that should be expected of an England manager is that we qualify for the major tournaments and then get through to the knockout stages.

After that it is very debatable, you can lose on penalties, bad refereeing decisions or it just being one of those days. But to me that is what the minimum requirement should be.

It then does come down to the talent that is available to the manager. Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales all have different ambitions because they have different qualities of players available.

I agree. It's the absolute minimum.

For me England should be getting into the semi's of all competitions.

Maybe. Either way, McClaren hasn't a hope of achieving that.

He's also a clown.

[El Jefecito]

I agree. It's the absolute minimum.


Maybe. Either way, McClaren hasn't a hope of achieving that.

He's also a clown.

As in addition to ????????

[cobain]

"Stay, but only if England qualify"

"Go, but only if England don't qualify"

quality

[cobain]

As in addition to ????????

being a ginger ****

[Morph]

So it seems a grand total of 4 out of 60, would seriously be happy for mclown to stay, with 2 of those dependant on england qualifying sounds about right

[andyinswinton]

Well it looks like he has got out of jail.

This debate will continue in about 8 months.