Houllier will be Irelands next Manager

[Nic83]

Our downfall for the last 10 years has been dropping deep when we are ahead which leads us to conceed. This is Houlliers style of football from the get go. Last thing we need. We are not good enough to sit back. this has been proven time and time again.

Macedonia away

Israel home and away

Croatia away

Slovakia away

Wales away

And those are only a few of many times we conceeded last minute goals to **** us over.

[Ritchi3]

If you can't see it, there's not much point. Houllier doesn't "get the best out of teams", he puts them on a leash and restricts them.

We need a manager who will let us express ourselves like Dalglish did with Blackburn. Do you think Houllier could have won the premiership with a team like that? absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Houllier is the type of manager that would suit a team battling to stay up. He would organise them defensively.

He won the league with Lyon by virtue of inheriting a team who had won it the last 4 years in a row and were twice as good as any other team in the division.

Did he restrict Lyon? De he restrict us when we won 5 cups and scored 116 goals in the process? He decides on what's best to do with the players he has available.

We don't have the players to play super football, and we have to play to our strengths, that's what Jack did, and that's what worked. I want us to play the worst kind of football ever seen, and to win games. We're a nation of average players with the odd exception of a good player, we can't expect to play the best teams at their own game, we'd get destroyed.

He also inherited a poor Liverpool team and turned them into a team that won lots of trophies, and a decent PSG team and won them the league. I think you're underestimating the job he did at Lyon, he re-invented the team by selling lots of players and getting lots in.

I don't think you can tell me what Dalglish has that would make him a better manager, besides the fact that he may play a more attractive type of football, which is obviously not in the best interest of us trying to get to major finals.

[Ritchi3]

Our downfall for the last 10 years has been dropping deep when we are ahead which leads us to conceed. This is Houlliers style of football from the get go. Last thing we need. We are not good enough to sit back. this has been proven time and time again.

Macedonia away

Israel home and away

Croatia away

Slovakia away

Wales away

And those are only a few of many times we conceeded last minute goals to **** us over.

Yet, at our peak, under Jack, these are the games we would have seen out, using a long-ball tactic and then holding onto a lead.

[Nic83]

Did he restrict Lyon? De he restrict us when we won 5 cups and scored 116 goals in the process? He decides on what's best to do with the players he has available. No he doesn't. He decides to ship out the best forward we ever had in Robbie Fowler so he can play kick and rush. And yes he restricted us. He restricted us to ****e over the top Dour football for Heskey and owen running over the top. Look at our away results and you will see just how much he restricted our attacking play. Draws all over the place against ****e opposition when we should have been taking the game to THEM, not sitting back and letting them attack us.

We don't have the players to play super football, and we have to play to our strengths, that's what Jack did, and that's what worked. I want us to play the worst kind of football ever seen, and to win games. We're a nation of average players with the odd exception of a good player, we can't expect to play the best teams at their own game, we'd get destroyed.

Each to their own. I'm fed up of ****e football and IMO if we play defensively, we will get more of the same as the last 10 years. IE: Conceeding stupid goals that will cost us.


He also inherited a poor Liverpool team and turned them into a team that won lots of trophies, and a decent PSG team and won them the league. I think you're underestimating the job he did at Lyon, he re-invented the team by selling lots of players and getting lots in.

IMO, LFC were in an even worse state when he left than when he came in. The amount of dead wood ala diomede, cheyrou etc etc was a disgrace. he decreased the standard of player that was signed for LFC.

I don't think you can tell me what Dalglish has that would make him a better manager, besides the fact that he may play a more attractive type of football, which is obviously not in the best interest of us trying to get to major finals. Can you tell me why he wouldn't? Our downfall has not been against the big teams so much as against the 'lesser' teams where we fail to make our extra quality pay. We havn't been going out and attacking them so much. Dalglish would make this happen IMO. We would have a much higher win % against these so called poorer teams ala Israel and Cyprus and Slovakia with a more attacking style , putting them to the test IMO. There's no point in sitting back against lesser quality teams, that only gives them oppurtunity they shouldn't have. You don't see Wenger's and Ferguson's teams sitting back ANYWHERE! Why? Becasue they feel they're better than everyone. So we against teams we are SUPERIORto (away or home) should be attacking throughout until we are at least 2 up. Dalglish has also proven he can take a team (Blackburn) thet weren't expected to do much, all the way to winning atitle over teams of massive quality. Houllier has not.

[Nic83]

Yet, at our peak, under Jack, these are the games we would have seen out, using a long-ball tactic and then holding onto a lead.

Yeah exactly, when we had the likes of Mcgrath and O' Leary. We aren't solid at the back anymore, which is why I'm on about more of the same if we play a defensive game

[Nic83]

Anyway, there's no point in arguing about it. He may not *prays* even get the job. If he does, good luck to him. Lyon DID seem to play a more attractive style than LFC did under him so maybe he's developed his tactics to be more balanced. And if he has, well, with Duffer, Keane and Doyle and the likes, he could do OK. He will no doubt improve the solidarity of the defense, I only hope he doesn't do it by taking away all of our goals up the top end.

[Ritchi3]

Can you tell me why he wouldn't? Our downfall has not being against the big teams so much as against the 'lesser' teams where we fail to make our extra quality pay. Dalglish would make this happen IMO.

Why would he?
Dalglish was successful 20 years ago with Liverpool, when we on the back of a decade of dominance, that's not to say he didn't do a good job, but it was a lot easier than building a team with no history. It could be compared to Houlliers time with Lyon, (although Dalglish did spend a lot of money building his own team)? And he was successful when backed with a multi-millionaire with Blackburn. Enough said. He hasn't been successful since.

We would have a lot higher win % against these so called poorer teams ala Israel and Cyprus and Slovakia with a mor eattacking style IMO.

Possibly. I really don't think we have any decent attackers though.

Dalglish has also proven he can take a team (Blackburn) that weren't expected to do much, all the way to winning a title over teams of massive quality. Houllier has not.

All ready covered.

In fact, taking an inherited team is the kind of manager we're looking for, no? I mean it's not as if he can go out and spend millions like Dalglish did.

[Jack D Rips]

Yeah exactly, when we had the likes of Mcgrath and O' Leary. We aren't solid at the back anymore, which is why I'm on about more of the same if we play a defensive game

We are not solid anywhere Nic. Have you seen our lineup lately. In includes people like Reid, McGeady, Douglas, Gibson, Long, Hunt, Kelly,O'Shea

Thats why we need someone to organise us. I think Ged can do that. Finishing 2nd in our group will be a success

[Nic83]

You don't rate Doyle, Duff and Keane? I think those three in a 4-3-3 would cause major damage to any defense.

[Ritchi3]

You still haven't given any reason to pick Dalgish either, other than he might make us play a little more attacking. I could do that. I probably wouldn't get us results though.

[johnp]

You don't rate Doyle, Duff and Keane? I think those three in a 4-3-3 would cause major damage to any defense.

And the other D, Dunne
Given too. We have a fairly good basis.

We're lacking in certain areas, but that's almost always the case for us.

[Nic83]

We are not solid anywhere Nic. Have you seen our lineup lately. In includes people like Reid, McGeady, Douglas, Gibson, Long, Hunt, Kelly,O'Shea

Thats why we need someone to organise us. I think Ged can do that. Finishing 2nd in our group will be a success

No problem with organisation mate. Every tem needs that. It's jsut that there's a balance needed and at LFC, I don't think Houllier got it right. I think he over stressed the defensive importance of the game, taking away from our ability to go away and break the lesser teams. His away record in the premiership for us was abysmal and the sole reason we didn't win the league.

Again,if he wants counter footy a 4-5-1 come 4-3-3 with:


-------------------doyle

------Duff-----------------------Keane------

would be the way to go IMO, with Carsley (or did he retire?) Stephen Reid and Andy Reid being the 3 in midfield. Actually maybe S. Ireland instead of Carsley with stephen reid doing the anchor man

[Ritchi3]

You're not acknowledging the fact that away draws and home wins actually qualifies you for tournaments on the international stage.

[Nic83]

You still haven't given any reason to pick Dalgish either, other than he might make us play a little more attacking. I could do that. I probably wouldn't get us results though.

I've given the fact that he's proven to take a team who nothing was expected of to win the premiership.

I've given the fact that what's let us down recently is playing defensively against opposition poorer than ourselves, which he would cut out.

He obviously has motivational, organisational and tactical skills to get Blackburn to do what they did. I don't care how much he did or didn't spend, fact is on paper they were still weaker tha at least 3 or 4 other teams in the league.

What else can an international manager do.... There aren't to many young Irish lads around to be scouted so they will get chance if they're good enough and having Houllier would be no advantage in the area of bringing youngsters through

[Nic83]

You're not acknowledging the fact that away draws and home wins actually qualifies you for tournaments on the international stage.

And what makes you say our home record won't get worse under Houllier? It can't get better as it is extremely good already and I think it will get WORSE under him.

Also, I'd be HAPPY with a drw away under Houllier, i won't expect awin anywhere going by LFC away results under him!

Anyway, hope the anti footballer proves me wrong. (He might with results but probably not with his woeful style of footy)