Premier League ratifies more subs

[Shaggy]

The first good decision made by the powers that be for a long time.

[dww]

The first good decision made by the powers that be for a long time.

I really don't think it is. It would be if the added two were age limited but as it is it just hands a bigger advantage to the top teams who have bigger squads. It is good for the rich and bad for the poor teams and will increase the trend towards a split in the middle of the league with no likely fringe benefits.

[Shaggy]

I really don't think it is. It would be if the added two were age limited but as it is it just hands a bigger advantage to the top teams who have bigger squads. It is good for the rich and bad for the poor teams and will increase the trend towards a split in the middle of the league with no likely fringe benefits.

Can't see that myself.

Relatively speaking there are no poor Premiership clubs. This was voted for unanimously and I don't envisage any PL clubs struggling to fill seven spaces on the bench.

[slimbimjim]

I really don't think it is. It would be if the added two were age limited but as it is it just hands a bigger advantage to the top teams who have bigger squads. It is good for the rich and bad for the poor teams and will increase the trend towards a split in the middle of the league with no likely fringe benefits.

Isn't there a league that says that the two extra subs have to be native or under-21 or something?

[dww]

Can't see that myself.

Relatively speaking there are no poor Premiership clubs. This was voted for unanimously and I don't envisage any PL clubs struggling to fill seven spaces on the bench.

Relative to what? I take it you mean foreign leagues. Look at the difficulty Sunderland have had attracting players and the same for Derby - the finances of the bottom half of the PL are very different and the players they can aim to get very much more limited. It's not about struggling to fill the positions but the quality of the options.

Do you have a link showing the vote was unanimous?

[dww]

Isn't there a league that says that the two extra subs have to be native or under-21 or something?

I remember Scotland discussed it and I think France have some rules but I'm not sure if they apply to the squad in general or the match day squad.

[Shaggy]

Relative to what? I take it you mean foreign leagues. Look at the difficulty Sunderland have had attracting players and the same for Derby - the finances of the bottom half of the PL are very different and the players they can aim to get very much more limited. It's not about struggling to fill the positions but the quality of the options.

Do you have a link showing the vote was unanimous?

Niall Quinn said on SSN last night that they voted for it and that it was unanimous.

Sunderland spent £40m+ this summer. Not sure what your point is mate?

You say it's about the quality of the options.......but what's the difference between the issue of quality of the options on the bench and the quality of the options in the first XI?

They all have big squads and clearly some are better than others. I can't see how this decision can be anything but beneficial.

[dww]

Niall Quinn said on SSN last night that they voted for it and that it was unanimous.

Sunderland spent £40m+ this summer. Not sure what your point is mate?

You say it's about the quality of the options.......but what's the difference between the issue of quality of the options on the bench and the quality of the options in the first XI?

They all have big squads and clearly some are better than others. I can't see how this decision can be anything but beneficial.

That Roy Keane has said that he couldn't get his top targets repeatedly as they didn't want to come either because of the place or the money. Therefore they are always stuck with the quality of players who will come. In that circumstance the odds of getting more players of PL quality is low.

The point I'm making is that by allowing the bigger teams more options they can have more quality players on. Few of th etop managers currently put two strikers on the bench consistently - they will now and those payers will be as good as the starting players for the opposition and will give the managers more chance to genuinely change the game.

The extra subs for a lower side unable to afford many players of the prerequisite quality will make **** all difference to the capabilities of their team. The ability to put more different quality potions on the bench will improve the top teams especially against those with less resources IMO.

I am also dubious that the sort of sides which do not produce many young players now will be encouraged to do so now. Although I conceed that the top four might now put more inexperienced players on the bench.

[dww]

Obviously some teams/squads are already better than others I just think this widens the divide and increases the importance of finance. Overall IMO it will cause a reduction in the competetive nature of the Premier League.

[Shaggy]

That Roy Keane has said that he couldn't get his top targets repeatedly as they didn't want to come either because of the place or the money. Therefore they are always stuck with the quality of players who will come. In that circumstance the odds of getting more players of PL quality is low.

The point I'm making is that by allowing the bigger teams more options they can have more quality players on. Few of th etop managers currently put two strikers on the bench consistently - they will now and those payers will be as good as the starting players for the opposition and will give the managers more chance to genuinely change the game.

The extra subs for a lower side unable to afford many players of the prerequisite quality will make **** all difference to the capabilities of their team. The ability to put more different quality potions on the bench will improve the top teams especially against those with less resources IMO.

I am also dubious that the sort of sides which do not produce many young players now will be encouraged to do so now. Although I conceed that the top four might now put more inexperienced players on the bench.

Okay, I see your point now. Don't agree though, and nor do Sunderland!

Quinn also gave his backing to the news Premier League clubs will be allowed to name seven substitutes from next season.

"We voted for it, and it was fairly unanimous I think," noted Quinn. "Tottenham Hotspur brought it to the table.

"Other leagues and competitions have started to do it around the world so it's the right time.

"It also helps allow us to have younger players on the bench without having to rely on them as much as we do now with only four outfield substitutes."

[dww]

Okay, I see your point now. Don't agree though, and nor do Sunderland!

I think the proof of the pudding will be in the eating though. It will be interesting to see if many more young players do get a chance.

My suspicion is that Sunderland voted for it as they think they can outspend the likes of Derby, Wigan, Fulham etc. and feel that it will give them an advantage in that mini league.

Also there is a lot of difference between 'fairly unanimous' and genuinely so. I would be very interested to see the actual voting of each club.

I can see the potential of the idea but if it really was about developing young players then it should have had an age cap imposed. If it was about improving the tactical nature of English football they should have tried to get the FA to do it at least down to the Blue Square Premier to allow up and coming managers the advantage to.

[Shaggy]

Also there is a lot of difference between 'fairly unanimous' and genuinely so. I would be very interested to see the actual voting of each club.

Well something is either unanimous or it isn't, so I think that was just the way Quinn said it.

But yeah, I'd like to see exactly who voted for what.

[PTP]

A good idea - if as others suggest (in fact come to think of it I thought of it in a thread ages ago about bringing through youngsters or something me me me ) - there is an age/nationality rule on each squad.

Ie - each team must have two english based players aged 21 and under in their match day squads.

[fah-q]

How long till we have specialist offensive subs that can come on for set plays and then go off again (similiar to NFL)?

And Extratime Multi-ball too