Muslim Bleus Shine in Euro 2008

[Red Chilli]

Marx's quotation was both more respectful and more correct.

Depends on your point of view re: accuracy.

As for respect, well I don't respect someone's belief in ghosts, pixies, loch ness monster, tooth fairy etc and I put religious beliefs in the same case file.

Genuine intellectual question:
Why should religious beliefs command respect? You know, more respect than other mythical unprovable beliefs which fly in the face of evidence, logic and science as listed above?

[slimbimjim]

Depends on your point of view re: accuracy.

As for respect, well I don't respect someone's belief in ghosts, pixies, loch ness monster, tooth fairy etc and I put religious beliefs in the same case file.

Genuine intellectual question:
Why should religious beliefs command respect? You know, more respect than other mythical unprovable beliefs which fly in the face of evidence, logic and science as listed above?

Because they have fanatical supporters and more money than you.

[Guest]

How does that explain fredo?

I respect people who do mate but I don't like over reliance in something that's futile and empirically not true.

Each to their own though. Religion has done more harm then good.

[BFG]

Depends on your point of view re: accuracy.

As for respect, well I don't respect someone's belief in ghosts, pixies, loch ness monster, tooth fairy etc and I put religious beliefs in the same case file.

Genuine intellectual question:
Why should religious beliefs command respect? You know, more respect than other mythical unprovable beliefs which fly in the face of evidence, logic and science as listed above?

You don't have to respect it as such but you also don't have to ridicule it. In comparison to other unprovable beliefs it's different simply because people feel much more strongly about it than other things that you class in that category.

You could be disrespectful and offend people by pushing your beliefs in their face but then you'd be no better than Jehovah's Witnesses but I suppose if someone is trying to push religion on you then you have as much right to promote atheism to them.

Moderation and respect for other peoples beliefs is key no matter what you believe in.

[badpiggy]

You don't have to respect it as such but you also don't have to ridicule it. In comparison to other unprovable beliefs it's different simply because people feel much more strongly about it than other things that you class in that category.

You could be disrespectful and offend people by pushing your beliefs in their face but then you'd be no better than Jehovah's Witnesses but I suppose if someone is trying to push religion on you then you have as much right to promote atheism to them.

Moderation and respect for other peoples beliefs is key no matter what you believe in.

it's the right thing to do alright but it's kinda illogical in a way because i have to respect someone's belief that i'm going to burn in hell for all eternity whereas they don't have to respect my belief that they are understandably deluded - and in some cases actively deranged and full of bile and hatred - for all sorts of historical, sociological, anthropological,economic and personal reasons.

still though, i think that overall the christians/lapsed catholics/non-practising protestants/agnostics/atheists are still winning the football war

[Guest]

You don't have to respect it as such but you also don't have to ridicule it. In comparison to other unprovable beliefs it's different simply because people feel much more strongly about it than other things that you class in that category.

You could be disrespectful and offend people by pushing your beliefs in their face but then you'd be no better than Jehovah's Witnesses but I suppose if someone is trying to push religion on you then you have as much right to promote atheism to them.

Moderation and respect for other peoples beliefs is key no matter what you believe in.

It would be better if we could discuss things like this without any attack on anyone ... Just respecting other people's opinions. But this should go in both directions.

[BFG]

I take your point and if someone tells you you'll burn in hell then you certainly have the right to respond in kind but the question was why should religion be respected more than other perceived falsities, which is entirely different.

You don't have to actually respect the belief but you should show respect on an individual level as to not ridicule someone's religion or lack of they show you the same courtesy. Someone like Dawkins for example is just as bad as an outspoken Christian/ Muslim etc who takes enourmous joy in informing us of their righteousness.

[BFG]

It would be better if we could discuss things like this without any attack on anyone ... Just respecting other people's opinions. But this should go in both directions.

Absolutely.

[Hollowman]

Henry isn't Muslim. That rumour came from when he kissed the pitch at his last match at Highbury.

[Imy]

Henry isn't Muslim. That rumour came from when he kissed the pitch at his last match at Highbury.

From what i've been told he has not reverted yet, he has a VERY keen interest and has been studying Islam.

[Guest]

I don't know why people go towards religion in this day and age. I'm just trying to understand it in a rational way. The deduction I've made is simply that people have been 'fed' these beliefs through their parents etc ... They just fell in it when they were kids.

Now, there are exceptions, like Henry for example. This is another matter.

[Hollowman]

From what i've been told he has not reverted yet, he has a VERY keen interest and has been studying Islam.

Tremendous. Good to hear you have the inside line on this.

I suppose the fact that he's publically denied it doesn't really count for much?

http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=7313

Most of that list sounds like bull**** to be honest. Certainly, Abidal, Thuram, Viera and Henry were all raised Christian. The Thuram thing I imagine comes from the fact that he aligned himself with the Paris rioters against Sarkozy, but at no point did he identify himself as Muslim, and I think it would have been something the French press would have looked at. Basically we have an internet list with no substantiation. Great stuff.

[Guest]

Tremendous. Good to hear you have the inside line on this.

I suppose the fact that he's publically denied it doesn't really count for much?

http://www.dailystaregypt.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=7313

Most of that list sounds like bull**** to be honest. Certainly, Abidal, Thuram, Viera and Henry were all raised Christian. The Thuram thing I imagine comes from the fact that he aligned himself with the Paris rioters against Sarkozy, but at no point did he identify himself as Muslim, and I think it would have been something the French press would have looked at. Basically we have an internet list with no substantiation. Great stuff.

Imy isn't far wrong on his assessment though.

On other topics, Henry did not reject the possibility of transferring to Barcelona club, denied rumors he was Muslim though he studied and respected the religion, and said he was neither a Chelsea nor Manchester United fan but that he did want Liverpool to win in their Champions League game against Milan.

[Hollowman]

That's a long way from saying he's considering converting. A long way.

[Guest]

That's a long way from saying he's considering converting. A long way.

It's as close as he can get to state this and show the world how Islam is influential.