Tottenham Hotspur

[Shaggy]

I think there's a lot of press hubris about the "state of Spurs"

Teams sometimes get gubbed, thats football - United stuffed Arsenal 8-2 not that long ago. City were a lot better but it was a bit of a freak result. Spurs are still only 4 points off 4th place, but the press would have you believe they're in freefall. The biggest mistake they made was buying in so many at one time and trying to play as many of them as they could all at once, but if the players they signed for first team action were available to sign, then why not get them in? They did the same with Lloris which (6 goals on Sunday aside) has paid off and was a good long term decision.

The worst signing was Soldado though - he doesn't seem to offer what they're looking for. They way they have played over the last few seasons lends to a bustling, physical presence. If Adebayor wasn't a mentalist, he'd be far better suited to it. Basically, they signed the wrong Spanish striker - they should have gone for Negredo.

They're adjusting to life without their totem player, a bit of a dip was inevitable.

Soldado does look like a fish out of water. He's obviously not wank - reminds me of Morientes. Also...I would've chosen him ahead of Negredo. Soldado to me always looked a more reliable finisher, more mobile...Negredo scored goals and looked good in the air but he looked cumbersome at times. I have been near-amazed at how good Negredo has looked. Shows what I know.

[Bender]

it's the modern day thing,a few bad results and change the manager,

[Reece]

Most Liverpool fans would agree we've had a good start to the season, so it's a bit crazy to think that Spurs, who are 4 points behind us, are considering sacking the manager.

[Bender]

Most Liverpool fans would agree we've had a good start to the season, so it's a bit crazy to think that Spurs, who are 4 points behind us, are considering sacking the manager.

it's silly really,imagine if spurs win at the weekend,all the drama of getting rid of avb goes until the next game.

[Fredo]

I think there's more to it with AVB. Can't be bad luck if you manage to **** up at Chelsea, then at Spurs. Well, as you all say it's too early to say he's ****ing up at Spurs already but the signs are not good. Their football has been dire; lack of creativity and cutting edge despite good possession football and some players playing below their level. AVB has always been an enigma to me. Him being young and one of Mourihno's protegees kind of bigged him up a lot in the media. I just don't think he's that good and he's got a bit of an attitude problem.

[Bender]

I think there's more to it with AVB. Can't be bad luck if you manage to **** up at Chelsea, then at Spurs. Well, as you all say it's too early to say he's ****ing up at Spurs already but the signs are not good. Their football has been dire; lack of creativity and cutting edge despite good possession football and some players playing below their level. AVB has always been an enigma to me. Him being young and one of Mourihno's protegees kind of bigged him up a lot in the media. I just don't think he's that good and he's got a bit of an attitude problem.

as i said in an earlier post this is the effect of no gareth bale in their side,before they could in a game give him the ball and run with it now they don't have that outlet

[Fredo]

Similar to ourselves. Lose Suarez and Sturridge and we've got a big problem.

[Bender]

Similar to ourselves. Lose Suarez and Sturridge and we've got a big problem.

well sort of but we coped when people said with Gerrard we were a one man team and he was injured and did so with suarez suspended etc,but you could use the same analogy with other teams by taking out their main players,but spurs are struggling with the loss of bale just one player,we as i have mentioned did well without Gerrard and Suarez.....

[red g]

Most Liverpool fans would agree we've had a good start to the season, so it's a bit crazy to think that Spurs, who are 4 points behind us, are considering sacking the manager.

I think Managers who play dull defensive football are always a few games away from the sack., thinking of managers like Megson, Pullis, AVB etc

all of had decent spells with the clubs but never get the fans vote as the football makes your eyes bleed.

[Sarb]

To be honest, I never really got why he was spending so much on wingers when he doesn't play a wingers formation. He's got some really good players who just do not fit his system or style of play

It's a typical football manager situation. Buy up loads of exciting players then realise you can only play 11.

Yeah they're only 4 points behind us but you have to look at their style of play and the fact they've won a few games by contentious penalties. When you've spent £100m+ on attacking talent, it really isn't good enough

[Fosterbloke]

I hope they fade away through the season. Unless they switch back to Dembele and Sandro.

Would Sandro be a good shout for our first team?

[Shaggy]

Hasn't looked the same player to me since his bad injury. Bit like Lucas. Was an absolute beast before that IMO.

[BigChief]

To be honest, I never really got why he was spending so much on wingers when he doesn't play a wingers formation. He's got some really good players who just do not fit his system or style of play

That's a key and deep question. Firstly, shows what a DoF (or similar) does for you and why Rodgers was against it. Secondly, and more controversially, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to exercise some financial muscle and prevent other CL challengers from strengthening, i.e. us.

Did it the previous summer with Sigurdson and Dempsey, even though they were not priority at the time. And now when Rodgers system relies on skilful wingers forcing us to rely on a loan for Moses instead.

Bottom line is they f*cked up and have a manager who is not flexible enough to cover other people's mistakes. Ironically, Rafa would do a better job at Spurs with the current squad.

[dww]

Most Liverpool fans would agree we've had a good start to the season, so it's a bit crazy to think that Spurs, who are 4 points behind us, are considering sacking the manager.

In a way I think it says a lot about how much of an opportunity people at the top of the game thought this season was. None of the top 4 looked convincing going into the season and so far they have been at best inconsistent in the season (somewhat excepting Arsenal).

Spurs started in a better position than us and have done a lot worse than expected. Even if they are close in points given how dull they have been speculation is inevitable.

I think that the net spend is a bit of a red herring too on this one two. Normally when teams have a low/negative net spend it is a sign that they were in a week position and they had to rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak. For Spurs they got a massive windfall and AVB got to spend it to remodel the squad to his liking. I think it is much more reasonable to argue that the team/squad may need time to gel.

Personally I think that there are fundamental problems with how AVB sets up his teams that he isn't addressing. Soldado was the totally wrong choice from what I have seen for the way they play.

[Gibbo]

Some breaking news on SSN at 10 apparently.

AVB gone?