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    Adam Hammill

    Seems Barnsley bound. Not happy as I think he has the potentail to at the very least be a squad player. Would rather we got him on a years extension and loaned him out again. His value is unlikely to go down and we hardly need the extra 250k, which is likely to be the fee, ala Paul Anderson.

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    Barnsley boss Simon Davey is awaiting a response from Liverpool after making an offer for winger Adam Hammill.

    The 21-year-old enjoyed a productive three-month loan spell at Oakwell last season and the Tykes are now keen to secure his services on a permanent deal.

    Barnsley have now tabled a bid for Hammill and Davey is hoping that their bid meets the Anfield outfit's valuation.

    He told Barnsley Player: "We have been in conversation with Liverpool again this morning. I am yet to find out the outcome of that but we have made a bid for Adam today.

    "We have put a bid in for a permanent deal. Hopefully that will be a successful one and we can get Adam into the football club as soon as possible.

    "There have been positive noises coming from Anfield and I do not think that we are that far apart in our valuations so hopefully we can come to an agreement."

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_5464233,00.html
    Forwards.......
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    I'll be quite annoyed if we sell him and keep El Zhar. Local lad who's just as good if not better, and he still has room for improvement.

    Not knocking El Zhar but something is wrong with our priorities.

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      #3
      Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
      I'll be quite annoyed if we sell him and keep El Zhar. Local lad who's just as good if not better, and he still has room for improvement.

      Not knocking El Zhar but something is wrong with our priorities.
      Can't agree, I think El Zhar is much better.
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        #4
        Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
        I'll be quite annoyed if we sell him and keep El Zhar. Local lad who's just as good if not better, and he still has room for improvement.

        Not knocking El Zhar but something is wrong with our priorities.
        Whislt I can accept letting Anderson go on the cheap, as you say local lads who have come through the Academy should be the priority.

        I guess the problem is the strong competition on the LW. As well as the possibility of amother coming like David Silva.
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          #5
          Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
          I'll be quite annoyed if we sell him and keep El Zhar. Local lad who's just as good if not better, and he still has room for improvement.

          Not knocking El Zhar but something is wrong with our priorities.
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            #6
            If he's not in Rafa's plans then I think selling him is the sensible option. Get a buy back and sell on clause in the deal and there is very little downside.

            El Zhar has played at international and PL level and done pretty well - Hammill hasn't. Not saying he couldn't play at the same level but I don't see how anyone can say with confidence that he is better than El Zhar when he hasn't, as yet, played in the first team.
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              Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
              I'll be quite annoyed if we sell him and keep El Zhar. Local lad who's just as good if not better, and he still has room for improvement.

              Not knocking El Zhar but something is wrong with our priorities.
              El Zhar is an international mate who's played plenty of times in the first team and although hasn't been outstanding certainly hasn't looked out of his depth at all. Hamill's hardly played at all in a Liverpool shirt so I have no idea why or how you would favour him.

              El Zhar has clearly showed more to the LFC staff than Hamill to have amassed such first team experience so his nationality shoudn't come into it.
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                Ferguson only gets rid of his youth products after he's given them a chance and only when he's certain they have no future at the club, even as squad players. He also gets a good penny for them.

                Rafa is offloading decent talent for next to nothing, without them being even close to getting a chance, because he's filled the reserves with **** imports.

                I love Rafa, he's the best in-game manager out there, his tactical knowledge is second to none and his attention to details and improving players is exceptional, but there is one thing the man is **** at, and that's bringing youth players through. He's horrendous at it and nowhere near Ferguson and Wenger.

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                  #9
                  Don't disagree with you at all Danny but I think for his sake he should move. He should have broken through by now whoevers fault and he will go stale without a regular team and he has talent to make a good career out of it. I think it's fair really, we thin the squad and he stops being in limbo.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DannyMan2006 View Post
                    Whislt I can accept letting Anderson go on the cheap, as you say local lads who have come through the Academy should be the priority.
                    Don't agree at all. The players who show the most talent and potential should be the one's we hang on to and therefore give 'priority' to.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by BFG View Post
                      El Zhar is an international mate who's played plenty of times in the first team and although hasn't been outstanding certainly hasn't looked out of his depth at all. Hamill's hardly played at all in a Liverpool shirt so I have no idea why or how you would favour him.

                      El Zhar has clearly showed more to the LFC staff than Hamill to have amassed such first team experience so his nationality shoudn't come into it.
                      Hammill could be an international if he was Moroccan. Hammill has never been given a chance so how do we know if he's good enough or not? El Zhar has never been impressive even at the reserves. As I said, I'm not using this as stick to beat El Zhar with, he's not a bad player, but I think that under the right guidance and if given a proper chance, Hammill could have been something here.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
                        Ferguson only gets rid of his youth products after he's given them a chance and only when he's certain they have no future at the club, even as squad players. He also gets a good penny for them.
                        That's nonsense mate. Maybe United have had a better youth setup for the past 10 years and therefore the end product of that has been better. Ask any United fan who Adam Hamill is and they'd have no idea. I'd guess most Liverpool fans don't hear about plenty of United youngsters than leave without making a mark there.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
                          Hammill could be an international if he was Moroccan. Hammill has never been given a chance so how do we know if he's good enough or not? El Zhar has never been impressive even at the reserves. As I said, I'm not using this as stick to beat El Zhar with, he's not a bad player, but I think that under the right guidance and if given a proper chance, Hammill could have been something here.
                          Exactly, so how can you say he's as good as if not better than El Zhar?

                          Rafa and the LFC staff see these young lads every single day and they must think El Zhar is a much better player hence him being on the fringes of the first team squad and Hamill on loan or being sold. I don't agree with your assesment of El Zhar either, I think he's a good young player who would be in the first 11 of plenty of other Premier League teams.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JohnDoe View Post
                            Ferguson only gets rid of his youth products after he's given them a chance and only when he's certain they have no future at the club, even as squad players. He also gets a good penny for them.

                            Rafa is offloading decent talent for next to nothing, without them being even close to getting a chance, because he's filled the reserves with **** imports.

                            I love Rafa, he's the best in-game manager out there, his tactical knowledge is second to none and his attention to details and improving players is exceptional, but there is one thing the man is **** at, and that's bringing youth players through. He's horrendous at it and nowhere near Ferguson and Wenger.
                            Not convinced by that argument at all. None of the young players we have let go have done anything in the game. You really can't expect Rafa to polish turds.

                            Up until recently it is clear that Rafa hasn't faith in the youth setup or control of it so I think it is slightly unfair to judge him yet. In terms of young players he has bought though Momo (he had him at Valencia), Insua and El Zhar to differing levels. The fact that we haven't had many more players is a combination of the fact it is actually hard to produce players of PL let alone top 4 standard. United and Arsenal have had years to create a top setup and still haven't bought through many players in recent years. They have also sold loads of players under the radar without giving them a chance - the difference is that we follow our reserves fortunes and not theirs.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by BFG View Post
                              Exactly, so how can you say he's as good as if not better than El Zhar?

                              Rafa and the LFC staff see these young lads every single day and they must think El Zhar is a much better player hence him being on the fringes of the first team squad and Hamill on loan or being sold. I don't agree with your assesment of El Zhar either, I think he's a good young player who would be in the first 11 of plenty of other Premier League teams.
                              Hammill has been consistently far more impressive than El Zhar in the reserves.

                              I think the reasoning behind why El Zhar went into the team and Hammill isn't anywhere near are more than just objective assessments, but that's just me.

                              El Zhar wouldn't be anywhere near any first team in the Premier League, come on, the lad is quick and neat but he can't shoot to save his life.

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