Champions League: Semi-finals 20. - 28.4. 2010

[Bender]

i think everyone accepts he is a winner. which surely makes him a top class manager

The two problems are

1. the baggage he brings

2. the style of football. the very people that want rid of rafa will get the same pragmatic football with maureen.

but refusing to accept rafa is a top manager is ok.

not refusing to accept rafa is a top manager in fact am happy to see what he can do next season .....but rafa is his own worst enemy re selction and tactics ........ how we can go from playing brilliantly last season and 2nd place to being a mid table side and playing poorly is beyond me ...thing with Mourinho yes he brings baggage but he also brings a winning mentality and trophies

[CJ]

What is this mythical baggage? Media attention? As if we havent had plenty of that anyway. A club like ours will always be a headline maker. I'd rather we made them as a successul club winning honours, than as a laughing stock failure.

Cant speak for anyone else on their desired style of play, but i want a winning one. How that's achieved is of little importance to me, in terms of 'entertaining football'. Winning trophies is plenty entertaining enough for me.

Rafa's a very good manager, who isnt succeeding at Liverpool.

mythical media baggage?

are you having a laugh Craig?

[Neil Young]

geez lets see stevie g does his bit of diving as well as many other english players you wanna ban them as well oh yeah let's not forget NGOG'S infamous dive

woosh!

I think you may have misread the intentions of Mr Young here.

I think you missed the irony of Mr Young's statement??

Bender, you plonker.

I see i seem to have done a Gordon Brown ...appologies to Mr Young

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

[CJ]

not refusing to accept rafa is a top manager in fact am happy to see what he can do next season .....but rafa is his own worst enemy re selction and tactics ........ how we can go from playing brilliantly last season and 2nd place to being a mid table side and playing poorly is beyond me ...thing with Mourinho yes he brings baggage but he also brings a winning mentality and trophies

if it wasnt for that (mythical) baggage i would agree if Rafa left or didnt do something much better next season i would like to see maureen here.

I think most of what he does is ok.

as i have said over a few years read some of the things shanks said.

hoever maureen is a bit much

I would rather have fabio under those circumstances

[Bender]

Bender, you plonker.







I'm not sure I'd go that far.

[Darkon]

i think everyone accepts he is a winner. which surely makes him a top class manager

The two problems are

1. the baggage he brings

2. the style of football. the very people that want rid of rafa will get the same pragmatic football with maureen.

but refusing to accept rafa is a top manager is ok.

I think most people could/should agree that both are good managers, but they just have a very different public display. They are more or less the exact same type tactician and plays the same style of football, and have been succesfull at the clubs they have been at.

Personally I don't care to much about the bagage Mourinho brings, it includes loads of trophies and a very good relationship with his players and fans.

I would however agree that the style of football he plays is not particular entertaining or attacking, and it reminds me to much of our current style of play. Not many neutral fans think we play attractive football either.

I would prefer getting a manager that plays attractive and attacking style of football, but if we are to play otherwise Mourinho is among the best there are as well as Capello. Rafa has done very well with this style as well, although not in the last couple of years.

[CJ]

its interesting that

Rafa
capello
Maureen

all very good managers have won things and yet dont always play free flowing pretty football.

[Lecter]

Yet you want rafa to stay?

Mate, winning 'ugly' is how we won the european cup - remember turin?

Some of the comments on here are hilarious

Rafa is slagged off for being too defensive minded and yet the same people are sucking Jose off for doing the same thing

Mourinho to me has always been as defensive minded as Rafa

That said if it meant winning the title I'd have him as manager (and I think hes a total cunt of a person)

I just dont believe that getting Mourinho guarantees that title, his appointment would have to go hand in hand with a HUGE investment in the playing staff to give us a chance of the title

[Lecter]

Put other teams at the Nou Camp, with 10 men and see how long they hold out for, or how many they lose by. Most sides lose there by about 3 or 4, with 11 men.

I remember us going there a couple of years ago and beating them

[Vermilion]

Some of the comments on here are hilarious

Rafa is slagged off for being too defensive minded and yet the same people are sucking Jose off for doing the same thing

Mourinho to me has always been as defensive minded as Rafa

That said if it meant winning the title I'd have him as manager (and I think hes a total cunt of a person)

I just dont believe that getting Mourinho guarantees that title, his appointment would have to go hand in hand with a HUGE investment in the playing staff to give us a chance of the title

And i don't belive he'd come anywhere near us unless that was the case, as he proved when given the choice to mange LFC or Chelsea.

When talking new managers, i think fans should look at who is 'realistically' going to replace Rafa should he go, and right now i don't see Maureen as a realistic option.

[Exiled_red]

I'll give you that, but the gap between the two relative levels of net spend and between the two relative levels of success between the two teams, is nowhere near close to matching.

Yes, but as I said before Inter were already Serie A champions for the 3 seasons before he arrived. Given a net spend of 24m euros a season I would expect any decent manager to be able to win them the next title. There's a huge difference between what it costs to get a team top the top than to keep a team at the top. It's not just what you spend but where you start at. Mourinho's Inter squad started at a higher level and had twice as much money spent on it. The comparison in success levels is not solely down to the difference in the net spend and (any) differences in managerial ability, but also the starting position.

[destinydude]

I just dont believe that getting Mourinho guarantees that title, his appointment would have to go hand in hand with a HUGE investment in the playing staff to give us a chance of the title

He is someone who likes a challenge and if the challenge means spending less money than his opponents and still outwitting them, then he'd like it esp with the 'Huge spender' tag around him.

He spends, but you have to accept the fact that he's a winner.

His first choice targets this yr were Carvalho and Deco but he got Lucio and Sneijder instead.A Lucio who has been dreadful for Bayern for the last two yrs. He transformed them and bought the hunger back into their game.

You could give him 25-30m this season and he can land you the League with a good run in Europe.

[Lecter]

You could give him 25-30m this season and he can land you the League with a good run in Europe.

Not a ****ing chance

Sorry there is no way we'd win the League even if fecking Jesus was manager by spending only £25-30 million

I think Jose's a good manager but some people are getting carried away with his hype

[destinydude]

Not a ****ing chance

Sorry there is no way we'd win the League even if fecking Jesus was manager by spending only £25-30 million

I think Jose's a good manager but some people are getting carried away with his hype

Reina

Johnson-Agger-Skrtel- (New LB)

Masch-Aquilani

Maxi-Gerrard-Benayoun

Torres

Back ups

Dege-Kyrgiakos-Carragher-Insua

Kuyt-Lucas-New CM-Riera

Babel-N'Gog

Pacheco/Kelly/Aurelio(?)

He can sell who ever he wants and then add 25-30m to that and what's wrong with the squad? It's almost the same squad that finished 2nd last season

Some people are just getting carried away with what they've seen this season. The squad is far far better than what it's made out to be this season.

Maureen likes a big strong striker, so he could get one for 15m and then sell some misfits(Babel,Riera?) and then add 25m to that to buy an additional CM and a LB and a Winger and he can sort it out.

[Lecter]

Reina

Johnson-Agger-Skrtel- (New LB)

Masch-Aquilani

Maxi-Gerrard-Benayoun

Torres

Back ups

Kelly/Degen
Kyrgiakos/Carragher
Insua/?

Lucas/New CM

Kuyt
Babel
Riera
N'Gog
Pacheco

He can sell who ever he wants and then add 25-30m to that and what's wrong with the squad? It's almost the same squad that finished 2nd last season

Some people are just getting carried away with what they've seen this season. The squad is far far better than what it's made out to be this season.

Maureen likes a big strong striker, so he could get one for 15m and then sell some misfits(Babel,Riera?) and then add 25m to that to buy an additional CM and a LB and a Winger and he can sort it out.

Not a hope in hell mate I seriously think you need to stop playing Championship Manager