Portsmouth finished?

[Bender]

read that there trying to get £5000 as the top wage in order to free up cash .... the new owner has stated unless this is agreed he won't buy the club but beh naim and his agent Pini Zahavi seem to be refusing

[spud_gun]

He's a ****. He's an absolute **** that man.

Just leave the club ffs, absolute tosser

Really?

How so? Because he's wanting what's been contractually obliged to him?

[dom9]

Really?

How so? Because he's wanting what's been contractually obliged to him?

If they go out of business, he won't get that, nor will anyone else who is employed at the club.

Pretty simple really.

[Lee]

Really?

How so? Because he's wanting what's been contractually obliged to him?

See my earlier posts mate. He's not a nice person and he's ****ing greedy.

[RichC]

Pini Zahavi, why am I not shocked he's involved in this.

[Gingawaria]

The thing is Ben Haim's doing himself no favour now, what club will want to sign him after he's shown how greedy he truly is?

[spud_gun]

If they go out of business, he won't get that, nor will anyone else who is employed at the club.

Pretty simple really.

Perhaps it's for the best that they go out of business then if their entire business model / plan is dependent on him taking a 20k wage cut.

I don't think there's too many empolyees who'd be keen on taking what amounts to an 80% wage cut.

He and his agent probably know fine well that in England footballers are classed as secured creditors and get first dibs on any money generated by the liquidation of a football club.

[spud_gun]

The thing is Ben Haim's doing himself no favour now, what club will want to sign him after he's shown how greedy he truly is?

I fail to see this 'he's being greedy' train of thought. He signed a contract for X amount. Is it being greedy to expect X amount to be paid?

[Lee]

I fail to see this 'he's being greedy' train of thought. He signed a contract for X amount. Is it being greedy to expect X amount to be paid?

Okay then, I refer you to an old post of mine.

My Mum is a solicitor for a Portsmouth-based firm and dealt with his move from Chelsea. He's a bit of a tight ******* and wants everything doing when he wants it and how he wants it - calls early morning, late evening and weekends etc. He tried getting away with paying £6k in legal fees too that he owed the company.

He honestly tried to avoid paying his costs and this is just after he signed a contract where he was taking home £80k NET per month.

He won't be getting paid in a months time anyway if he stays with Portsmouth. If he goes now then they stand a chance of surviving.

[dom9]

Perhaps it's for the best that they go out of business then if their entire business model / plan is dependent on him taking a 20k wage cut.

I don't think there's too many empolyees who'd be keen on taking what amounts to an 80% wage cut.

He and his agent probably know fine well that in England footballers are classed as secured creditors and get first dibs on any money generated by the liquidation of a football club.

So that makes it morally OK then?

[spud_gun]

Okay then, I refer you to an old post of mine.



He honestly tried to avoid paying his costs and this is just after he signed a contract where he was taking home £80k NET per month.

He won't be getting paid in a months time anyway if he stays with Portsmouth. If he goes now then they stand a chance of surviving.

That's a fairly ****ish move to pull.

As for not getting paid. He probably stands more chance of getting his entire contract paid IF Portsmouth get liquidated. As i said eariler all footballing creditors are classed as secured creditors in England and will get the first dibs on the money raised through the sale of the liquidated clubs assets.

Perhaps that's what he and his agent have his eye on.

[RichC]

I fail to see this 'he's being greedy' train of thought. He signed a contract for X amount. Is it being greedy to expect X amount to be paid?

No but he has the social responsibility to the fans and the simple realisation is the club can't afford it and his current demands are going to drive the club out of business; football isn't your typical business where you can just go to the next supplier and get what you want from there, football is based around the fans and by not dropping his demands he's affecting ten's of thousands of fans lives.

I am sure he'd have no problem getting a club to sign him up as a free agent on very good wages, he's being a complete mercenary here.

[spud_gun]

No but he has the social responsibility to the fans and the simple realisation is the club can't afford it and his current demands are going to drive the club out of business; football isn't your typical business where you can just go to the next supplier and get what you want from there, football is based around the fans and by not dropping his demands he's affecting ten's of thousands of fans lives.

I am sure he'd have no problem getting a club to sign him up as a free agent on very good wages, he's being a complete mercenary here.

Current demands? You may asking to be paid what he's contractually obliged to be paid? He's not asking for a wage rise, is he?

Why should he, an employee, suffer because his employer signed him to terms which they've now deemed unaffordable?

Would you have a similar opinion if say G4S (ohhh controversial) were to impose an across the board 80% pay cut on all employees whilst using emotive language such as 'company won't survive if employee X doesn't take this pay cut' 'employee X will be responsible for this company going under' 'employee X is being greedy because he's not taking this pay cut'

[RichC]

Current demands? You may asking to be paid what he's contractually obliged to be paid? He's not asking for a wage rise, is he?

Why should he, an employee, suffer because his employer signed him to terms which they've now deemed unaffordable?

Would you have a similar opinion if say G4S (ohhh controversial) were to impose an across the board 80% pay cut on all employees whilst using emotive language such as 'company won't survive if employee X doesn't take this pay cut' 'employee X will be responsible for this company going under' 'employee X is being greedy because he's not taking this pay cut'

It's not the same and you know it, if this was happening at Liverpool you'd be up in arms at this if it was going to drive the club out of business, football is emotive and not a hard and fast business as you have a responsibility to all the people that made the club exisit i.e. the fans.

It's really not hard to understand, if he doesn't agree to take a pay cut the club goes out of business, he's not the only one I am sure.

So would you accept it if say Gerrard didn't take a pay cut Liverpool would go out of business? See it from a fans point of view, football is far more than a business with a P&L sheet.

[spud_gun]

No but he has the social responsibility to the fans

Don't be so nieve.

He has zero social responsibility towards the fans. The board of directors, the custodians of the football club have the responsibility and they appear to have failed spectacularly.

He's an employee or prospective employee. It's business to these guys. Very rarely will there be a player who has a true affinity with a football club. Even in those all so rare cases it's still a business relationship.