Thanks Fernando..?

[Craig_H]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtgH4n9GHD8"]YouTube - Chelsea FC - Torres on Liverpool[/ame]

Is it me, or on 15 seconds, does he say about thanking "all the Li...Chelsea fans" ?

He nearly says Liverpool but then just remembers in time.

[McDermotX]

Villa on Torres, and little on Carroll and Suarez

Seems more like sound bytes than anything else

VILLA: TORRES WILL SUCCEED AT CHELSEA
Posted 07/02/11 14:02

Spain striker David Villa has backed international team-mate Fernando Torres' decision to leave Liverpool and join Chelsea in a £50million deal.

Torres did not enjoy a happy debut for the Blues, being substituted against his old club in the second half just before the Reds grabbed the only goal of the game through Raul Meireles.

However, Barcelona star Villa believes Torres made the right decision to quit Anfield for Chelsea.

He told Betfair: "Liverpool are not enjoying a good year. I am totally convinced that his move to Chelsea will go well and he will succeed in London.

"It's been very difficult for him, but I'm pleased because I know he wanted to go there. He is very happy and I wish him well."

World Cup winner Villa also said Andy Carroll, who Liverpool signed to replace Torres in a £35million deal, was "worth every penny".

Villa, who cost Barca around £34.2million when he joined them from Valencia last summer, added: "Each year there are big transfers of this type. It's normal. All teams need to strengthen when they want to win things.

"Liverpool needed to reinforce after the sale of Fernando. They (Carroll and fellow new recruit Luis Suarez) are two great players who are worth every penny. I'm sure they'll be a hit with the fans."

[Fernandinho]

I think you are right craigybabes.

[Vermilion]

Er, I'm trying to think...

Yes, I did get terribly wound up about Hodgson. That's an extra reason I couldn't stand him, he was making me give a sh*t about something sh*t happening that I didn't have any control over and that ultimately is only as important to me as I choose to make it.

It's not that things don't elicit an emotional reaction - it's that it's up to me to deal with that reaction, think about it, work through it. Other people, whether it's on the internet or in real life, aren't here to act as my own personal punchbags or shock absorbers.

Ok, the human punch bag thing, so would it be ok to act in the way you say we should'nt over a footballers comment, when say...talking about politics and something that's been reported a politician said, or is it just footballers comments we should'nt get worked up over ?

I just think, if it's something that means enough to someone, they'll get worked up when someone attacks or denegrates that something, whether it be football or a football club, or politics and politicians.

[-V-]

Haha Fernando, get it right ****ing up you ya dirty traitor *******. Now break a leg

[Rudo]

Despite whats been said and done, i can't bring myself to hate the traitor, i just can't.

That could change when i see him scoring and celebrating with John Terry, Cole, Lamps and them cunts but atm i don't look at Torres as i do with Michael Owen for example.

Obviously feel massively let down by him, but i can't help but think he'll come back and be a Liverpool player for a few seasons before going back home and finishing his career at his boyhood team, A.Madrid.
It sounds crazy now but come 18 months to 2 years time, i honestly wouldn't rule it out.

[Lee]

He's not coming back mate. Ever.



Anyway, **** him. He put in the transfer request and wanted to play for a so-called bigger club. **** him.

[Craig_H]

He aint coming back and nor do i want him to. He's a shadow of the player we had 2-3 years ago and £50m is superb business for us. He's worth £30m tops.

He'll score goals for them, but he'll also be inconsistent, sulky, injury prone and disruptive to the balance of their side and their system.

Shame....

[Drago]

He aint coming back and nor do i want him to. He's a shadow of the player we had 2-3 years ago and £50m is superb business for us. He's worth £30m tops.

He'll score goals for them, but he'll also be inconsistent, sulky, injury prone and disruptive to the balance of their side and their system.

Shame....

I seem to remember you trying to pick a argument when I said that.

[Neil Young]

Ok, the human punch bag thing, so would it be ok to act in the way you say we should'nt over a footballers comment, when say...talking about politics and something that's been reported a politician said, or is it just footballers comments we should'nt get worked up over ?

I just think, if it's something that means enough to someone, they'll get worked up when someone attacks or denegrates that something, whether it be football or a football club, or politics and politicians.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying people can't feel passionate about football or anything else. Passion and enthusiasm are 'good things' in themselves.

I don't mind people getting worked up but I do think they need to try to recognise that their passion or enthusiasm might be a lens which can distort or even obscure the full picture. For instance, relishing the idea of Torres getting injured might make the person saying it feel better for a moment, briefly forget their pain or disappointment that he left, but there's a cost there. It's basically 'I feel bad so I want the person who I hold responsible to be in physical pain.' That's simply not civilised. (And I feel exactly the same holds true when there's some revolting case of child abuse or whatever and people who aren't directly involved vent their feelings of revulsion in similar, graphic expressions of violent vengeance).

I would say there's a difference between what a footballer says about something and what a senior politician says, especially if he or she is a cabinet minister. Footballers play a game - cabinet minsters can really f*ck up people's lives. And a footballer is not really responsible for their words in the same way as politicians (rightly) are. If a there's a gap between what a footballer has said and what he has done then, yeah, it's not to his credit and it might be disappointing but, hey ho, let's get on with it. They don't owe their position to us. If a politician says one thing and does another then they've lied to us. And the crucial difference is that they are in place only to act on our behalf, they derive their position and power directly from us.

[Vermilion]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying people can't feel passionate about football or anything else. Passion and enthusiasm are 'good things' in themselves.

I don't mind people getting worked up but I do think they need to try to recognise that their passion or enthusiasm might be a lens which can distort or even obscure the full picture. For instance, relishing the idea of Torres getting injured might make the person saying it feel better for a moment, briefly forget their pain or disappointment that he left, but there's a cost there. It's basically 'I feel bad so I want the person who I hold responsible to be in physical pain.' That's simply not civilised. (And I feel exactly the same holds true when there's some revolting case of child abuse or whatever and people who aren't directly involved vent their feelings of revulsion in similar, graphic expressions of violent vengeance).

I would say there's a difference between what a footballer says about something and what a senior politician says, especially if he or she is a cabinet minister. Footballers play a game - cabinet minsters can really f*ck up people's lives. And a footballer is not really responsible for their words in the same way as politicians (rightly) are. If a there's a gap between what a footballer has said and what he has done then, yeah, it's not to his credit and it might be disappointing but, hey ho, let's get on with it. They don't owe their position to us. If a politician says one thing and does another then they've lied to us. And the crucial difference is that they are in place only to act on our behalf, they derive their position and power directly from us.

Totally get what you mean, guess what i was trying to say is that many people are more passionate about football than politics, and people react to what they are passionate about, it's a human trait and it'll never change.

[Craig_H]

I seem to remember you trying to pick a argument when I said that.

I'm sure your post was somewhat more emphatic than that, and went along the lines of 'he is rubbish anyway' Which, for all the fitness issues, isnt really true.

[red g]

Fernando Torres has admitted he was lacking enthusiasm at Liverpool and that things "looked black" before he joined Chelsea.

The Spain striker moved to Stamford Bridge for £50million last week after three-and-a-half years on Merseyside.

And although he concedes he has joined a "smaller club", he believes it was a move he needed to reignite his love of the game.

The 26-year-old told Spanish radio station Cadena Ser: "Money was not important. I left to improve sporting-wise.

"I thought I would stay one more year and take it as a transition season.

"But a time comes when you lose enthusiasm, you see those in the Spanish national team are playing at a different level.

"Then when everything looked black, Chelsea came and showed a real interest."

Torres is nevertheless grateful to his former club.

"Liverpool will always be very special to me," he added.

"Because of its history, Liverpool is a bigger club but it's going through a difficult time.

"Chelsea is like Manchester United, the strongest over the last 10 years.

"One is not better than the other, I'm just happy to have had the fortune of playing for both of them.

"I have been pleasantly surprised by the atmosphere in the Chelsea changing room. I thought it would be more distant but the atmosphere is very good, they laugh, they joke. It's nice."

Torres is currently back in Madrid preparing for Spain's friendly with Colombia at the Bernabeu on Wednesday night and he admits it is nice to be leaving all the transfer talk behind for a short period.

"These past 10 days have been very intense and it still is," Torres said.

"Everything has gone so quickly and it's as though I have a lot of information in my head.

"It seems that a month has gone by instead of a week.

"I want to enjoy playing with the national team because we are champions of everything.

"This game is good for me to disconnect."

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/6737845/Torres-It-looked-black-at-Reds

[barnes10]

he needs to basically shut up. chelski fans will go nuts over this.

they'll soon start to believe he doesnt want to be there and he only left because we were struggling, not because he actually wanted to join them.

this move has disaster written all over it.

[Neil Young]

He aint coming back and nor do i want him to. He's a shadow of the player we had 2-3 years ago and £50m is superb business for us. He's worth £30m tops.

He'll score goals for them, but he'll also be inconsistent, sulky, injury prone and disruptive to the balance of their side and their system.

Shame....

Hmm, I'm not sure. The one time this season he looked really motivated for us he managed two goals, one out of nothing. Of course you know who that was against.

If he really has lost something physical, like Owen did before he left, then I think your prediction will be right. But I'm not convinced he has. And if a lack of motivation and, as is understandable after only a few days at Chelsea, tactical fit which was/is hampering him then £50m will be a bargain for them. As for their side, it hasn't been working that well for some time. Whether a change of system is necessary I don't know but certainly they need to rebuild. Drogba, Lampard and Terry on the wane, Cech isn't what he was and Cole is getting older. They need new players and it's hard to think of someone better to build your attack around than a fully fit and motivated Torres.

Since he no longer wanted to play for LFC then obviously £50m is a great deal for us too.

It was only yesterday I found out the origin of the phrase 'sour grapes'. I suppose time will tell whether it applies to this thread.