Jonjo Shelvey

[Neil Young]

What I mean though, is every decision ever would need to be looked at. Because what we see as a dodgy decision, the other team might be looking at a different event a minute earlier. If they assessed one, they would have to look at all of them.

On that I totally agree. In fact I'm afraid you've roused a persistent irritation I have about the nature of ignoring things we're not looking for (and even not aware of so can't be on the lookout for), something I've banged on about to the point of pissing off at least one poster on this very forum. So be careful.

Even so, while it's important to take account of that potential sampling bias, it's not impossible to overcome it or at least minimise it. There is also a counter-danger, that other events are dredged up in order to muddy the water.

[Captain Stu]

Oh my ****, actually just heard a Manc in work:

"If you watch the replay, Shelvey's eyeing him up and goes in to try and injure him. He totally meant that."

[Reece]

Shelvey who's eyes you can't see?

[Tee]

He definitely didn't get the ball. Suarez got to the ball first, toed it away and Evans then fouled Suarez.

Granted, Suarez unnecessarily exaggerated it with the whole head flinging, which is a bit annoying, but it was still a penalty.

BR really needs to have a word with Luis about this. It is purely his reputation that precedes him and refs just will not give him any of these tight decisions.

[Neil Young]

Oh my ****, actually just heard a Manc in work:

Psychiatry, EEG's and fMRI scans give us but a glimpse at what might be going on in someone's brain. Yet for all the medical and scientific expertise and technology at our disposal, it turns out a person's motivations can be read perfectly by someone who has played or even just watched professional football.

[Tee]

Oh my ****, actually just heard a Manc in work:

Stab him in the head with a blunt pencil.

[Imy]

Shelvey who's eyes you can't see?

[Reece]

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[Lecter]

[dom9]

Fair play to Evans. I would have properly shat myself.

[Big-Red-Ed]

Each decision in isolation you could make a claim that he got right. It was the fact that every decision went their way which was extraordinary, never mind the Van persie and scholes challenges.

We're cursed.

[Captain Stu]

Stab him in the head with a blunt pencil.

It's frowned upon by HR apparently.

[Maxiedge]

Wow, seeing that again, that was a shocking decision. If anything, Evans shold have had red and Shelvey yellow. It's only because Shlevey came in strong and fast that the ref made him the culprit.

It's bull**** and any normal person who sees this clip would have to agree.

[Shaggy]

Wow, seeing that again, that was a shocking decision. If anything, Evans shold have had red and Shelvey yellow. It's only because Shlevey came in strong and fast that the ref made him the culprit.

And also because Evans squealed and rolled around.

Not forgetting of course those cunts Ferdinand and Giggs getting right in the ref's ear, as they always do.

[Fosterbloke]

After watching that a fair few times I don't think Evans was studs up at all. His eyes were on the ball and his foot went to sidefoot it but he ****ed it up somehow. Shelvey lunged (safely I might add) but I can see why the ref gave him the red considering the speed it happened.

Update. After watching it even more, I don't think either player was attempting anything dangerous but it looks like Evans also jumped before the tackle. Should have been a word with both.