Jonjo Shelvey

[Neil Young]

I agree, just as without Alonso and Garcia Rafa's first season transfers would be absolutely woefull, not to mention his second season disregarding the purchase of Pepe and Crouch looks horrendous!

Rafa out.

[Darkon]

Rafa out.

Just think it through, just ignoring Alonso and Garcia we wouldn't have won the CL and the season as a whole would be been a failure! Looking at it this way I can't really believe he got more season with us

[Sarb]

Some people on here have an irrational hatred of LFC players. It really is bizarre. Especially basing it on a few months of playing too

[RedReet]

I love the if you ignore nearly a third of the evidence .......

Also I think chaotic seems a very odd choice. There seems to be pretty good logic behind the Borini, Allen and Sahin deals even if they didn't work out or you don't specifically rate those players. We needed players in each of their roles for sure.

Plus Allen has had more good games for us than the success that is Coutinho.

[Captain Stu]

I love the if you ignore nearly a third of the evidence .......

Also I think chaotic seems a very odd choice. There seems to be pretty good logic behind the Borini, Allen and Sahin deals even if they didn't work out or you don't specifically rate those players. We needed players in each of their roles for sure.

I want to slap anyone who rags on Sahin - we got a world class player and then played him massively out of position and wondered why he didn't just magically adapt. He's a deep sitting playmarker, not a ****ing #10.

[~LFCHistory~]

I want to slap anyone who rags on Sahin - we got a world class player and then played him massively out of position and wondered why he didn't just magically adapt. He's a deep sitting playmarker, not a ****ing #10.

Sahin got chances to play in the middle and he was hopeless, he had clearly been ruined by injuries, any pace he once had had completely gone the lad made Shelvey look quick FFS, add to that he had zero defensive awareness or tackling ability.

How's he doing at Dortmund BTW ??

[saj]

Sahin got chances to play in the middle and he was hopeless, he had clearly been ruined by injuries, any pace he once had had completely gone the lad made Shelvey look quick FFS, add to that he had zero defensive awareness or tackling ability.

How's he doing at Dortmund BTW ??

He cannot get a game and I laugh at those who say he is world class: he is not and never was.

[saj]

I want to slap anyone who rags on Sahin - we got a world class player and then played him massively out of position and wondered why he didn't just magically adapt. He's a deep sitting playmarker, not a ****ing #10.

Well to operate as a deep lying playmaker, you need to be good at pressing and tackling. Those were 2 things he was not good at hence why he was asked to play the number 10 role which he also wasn't very good at. He can't a game for Dortmund now. He couldn't get a game for us. And when he returned from injury he couldn't get a game at Real. I think that says it all really.

[~LFCHistory~]

He cannot get a game and I laugh at those who say he is world class: he is not and never was.

He joined Dortmund 2 months ago and has started 1 game and made 4 sub appearances all around the 80th minute, no goals or assists obviously.

[saj]

I agree, just as without Alonso and Garcia Rafa's first season transfers would be absolutely woefull, not to mention his second season disregarding the purchase of Pepe and Crouch looks horrendous!

His second season signings were fantastic though and helped us to achieve 82 points in the league. You missed off Sissoko and Agger although the latter hardly played. Sissoko made a massive contribution to the team.

[Vermilion]

lfc managers

[saj]

He joined Dortmund 2 months ago and has started 1 game and made 4 sub appearances all around the 80th minute, no goals or assists obviously.

I watch Bundesliga now as I my mates are from Luxembourg. One is a Dortmund fan and I always ask him Sahin is getting on - he just laughs and doesn't say anything as he has been **** for them. He is going to end up back at Real next season as I doubt Dortmund will sign him unless it's for a couple of million.

[Captain Stu]

Bull****, the guy's coming back from a year out with a bad knee injury - it can take months of regular play to get back to your best and you need only look at the role he played in their 2010/2011 Bundesliga win to be convinced of his quality.

LONG-TERM INJURED PLAYER IN NOT BEING AMAZING SHOCKER. For ****s sake, you'd think he was the first person to come back from an injury and need rehabilitation into the team.

[Sarb]

Bull****, the guy's coming back from a year out with a bad knee injury - it can take months of regular play to get back to your best and you need only look at the role he played in their 2010/2011 Bundesliga win to be convinced of his quality.

LONG-TERM INJURED PLAYER IN NOT BEING AMAZING SHOCKER. For ****s sake, you'd think he was the first person to come back from an injury and need rehabilitation into the team.

Think that's it. I don't think him coming to the PL was going to add him coming back to fitness. He looked a good player in flashes. No doubt he has the ability. Just don't think it was the right time for him. Would have loved for it to work out

[~LFCHistory~]

Bull****, the guy's coming back from a year out with a bad knee injury - it can take months of regular play to get back to your best and you need only look at the role he played in their 2010/2011 Bundesliga win to be convinced of his quality.

LONG-TERM INJURED PLAYER IN NOT BEING AMAZING SHOCKER. For ****s sake, you'd think he was the first person to come back from an injury and need rehabilitation into the team.

Torres was ruined by injuries too remember, everything I've seen from Sahin since last summer makes me wonder if the same thing has happened to him. You're talking like Sahin has only been fit for a month or so, the fact is he hasn't been injured since he came here in August.