Everton

[BrooklynRed]

I have to say, they should be utterly embarrassed of themselves. Your manager abandons the club for another team after winding down his contract and you send him off with applause like you're ****ing proud of him to be leaving for a "bigger club?" They should be humiliated for that response. It's not like he ****ing retired or died, he quit the club for United and you give him a hero's send off? Just a sign to me of how ****ed English football culture is, everyone capitulating to United. The mentality it takes to believe your club is a stepping stone? Absolutely PATHETIC. "G'wan Moysie, go win a trophy now.. you deserve it after putting in your time with us..." **** OFF.

[dom9]

Er, is that not better than Moyes having signed a long term contract with them, say last summer, then deciding to leave the club at short notice, and leaving them in the lurch as a result?

I'm sure he feels he's taken them as far as he can given the constraints they operate under, and that he wants to better himself. It's an opportunity that he could never turn down, and one that his club recognises. The club can also see that he's regularly taken them to a point where expectations have been exceeded and they want to recognise for that too.

I think it's all been quite amicable and grown up on their part. Quite rare in football these days.

You can laugh at Everton all you like, but criticism for their handling of Moyes this week is a bit strange imo.

[dww]

Er, is that not better than Moyes having signed a long term contract with them, say last summer, then deciding to leave the club at short notice, and leaving them in the lurch as a result?

I'm sure he feels he's taken them as far as he can given the constraints they operate under, and that he wants to better himself. It's an opportunity that he could never turn down, and one that his club recognises. The club can also see that he's regularly taken them to a point where expectations have been exceeded and they want to recognise for that too.

I think it's all been quite amicable and grown up on their part. Quite rare in football these days.

You can laugh at Everton all you like, but criticism for their handling of Moyes this week is a bit strange imo.

[BrooklynRed]

I think it is mature, but I can't help but feel that you have a small time mentality when you're proud your manager is leaving for United. Everyone is in thrall of United. I just think it is SMALL TIME to be happy your manager left for United... Yes, he handled it with respect for Everton-- from a business perspective as a club I get it, but the mentality that another club is a better opportunity? Especially when he won NOTHING for you... him going to United seemed like a foregone conclusion, everything smooth, like it was the plan all along (and everyone thought it would happen)... I just don't understand that mentality.

Can you imagine feeling that way about Liverpool? I was PISSED when Xabi went to Madrid because I think Liverpool deserve the best players and deserve to be a top club. My thought was NOT that Madird are a bigger club and good for him, how could he refuse, etc etc. So many clubs have a chump mentality. If you don't think you deserve the best for your team (not that Moyes is the best, but if you love him that much...) why are you supporting the team? Happy your manager left for United, good for him? Seriously. Small time.

[dom9]

I think it is mature, but I can't help but feel that you have a small time mentality when you're proud your manager is leaving for United. Everyone is in thrall of United. I just think it is SMALL TIME to be happy your manager left for United... Yes, he handled it with respect for Everton-- from a business perspective as a club I get it, but the mentality that another club is a better opportunity? Especially when he won NOTHING for you... him going to United seemed like a foregone conclusion, everything smooth, like it was the plan all along (and everyone thought it would happen)... I just don't understand that mentality.

Can you imagine feeling that way about Liverpool? I was PISSED when Xabi went to Madrid because I think Liverpool deserve the best players and deserve to be a top club. My thought was NOT that Madird are a bigger club and good for him, how could he refuse, etc etc. So many clubs have a chump mentality. If you don't think you deserve the best for your team (not that Moyes is the best, but if you lobe him that much...) why are you supporting the team? Happy your manager left for United, good for him? Seriously. Small time.

Yeah, but you have missed one fundamental point...

They are a small club. They are a small club compared to United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Tottenham and Liverpool. I'd say they are a smaller club than Newcastle and Leeds too. Maybe about the level of Sunderland and Villa.

We're not talking about Liverpool are we? We're talking about Everton. They know where they are, what has been achieved, and what they'll be missing.

And you know what is the worst trait in football fans (for me at least). Delusions of grandeur and self entitlement.

[BrooklynRed]

Yeah, but you have missed one fundamental point...

They are a small club. They are a small club compared to United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Tottenham and Liverpool. I'd say they are a smaller club than Newcastle and Leeds too. Maybe about the level of Sunderland and Villa.

We're not talking about Liverpool are we? We're talking about Everton. They know where they are, what has been achieved, and what they'll be missing.

And you know what is the worst trait in football fans (for me at least). Delusions of grandeur and self entitlement.

I guess so... you're right about that. But the point of the game SHOULD BE that everyone can compete and win. Look at the Bundesliga...maybe it is the nature of the English game or maybe, as an American, I am used to parity where any club can win it at any time. The capitulation just rubs me the wrong way... United walk onto the pitch and 90% of the teams in the league just fold up for them. To see this institutionalized in this situation really rubs me the wrong way...

[dom9]

English football, let me introduce you to BrooklynRed.

BrooklynRed, this is English Football.

Why don't you spend some time getting to know one another?

[BrooklynRed]

English football, let me introduce you to BrooklynRed.

BrooklynRed, this is English Football.

Why don't you spend some time getting to know one another?

I know... I know...

[dom9]

OK, let's look at the Bundesliga.

Bayern Munich, the biggest club in Germany by some distace are 22 points ahead of the next placed team. Pretty competitive, huh?

[BrooklynRed]

OK, let's look at the Bundesliga.

Bayern Munich, the biggest club in Germany by some distace are 22 points ahead of the next placed team. Pretty competitive, huh?

This year is an anomaly... but yes, Bayern are amazing this year. For the past 5-6 years, Germany has been great for clubs taking results off of one another. The rise of BVB is an example that you can make good buys, get a good manager and compete. Bayern, Wolfsburg, BVB and Stuttgart have all won the title since 2007, Bremen in 04, etc. Anyway. It's the mentality.

[dom9]

This year is an anomaly... but yes, Bayern are amazing this year. For the past 5-6 years, Germany has been great for clubs taking results off of one another. The rise of BVB is an example that you can make good buys, get a good manager and compete. Bayern, Wolfsburg, BVB and Stuttgart have all won the title since 2007, Bremen in 04, etc. Anyway. It's the mentality.

It's similarly competitive in England, with United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal having won in it over a similar period.

Since 1992, (the period of our own Premier League being in existemce), Bayern have won it 11 times.

[Chazza]

For all that talk of Mackay he is back out to 14/1 4th favorite now.

Martinez and Poyet both 3/1 joint fav Lennon 5/1

[Liverpool]

I think its safe to say noone knows who the new manager is, including Bill

[kev776]

Peter Reid puleeesssse Mr Grocer.

[Norbs]

Er, is that not better than Moyes having signed a long term contract with them, say last summer, then deciding to leave the club at short notice, and leaving them in the lurch as a result?

I'm sure he feels he's taken them as far as he can given the constraints they operate under, and that he wants to better himself. It's an opportunity that he could never turn down, and one that his club recognises. The club can also see that he's regularly taken them to a point where expectations have been exceeded and they want to recognise for that too.

I think it's all been quite amicable and grown up on their part. Quite rare in football these days.

You can laugh at Everton all you like, but criticism for their handling of Moyes this week is a bit strange imo.

I agree and would take it a stage further. The manner with which the scum have gone about their business has been far more professional than our search for a manager last season. This has lots to do with their NYSE listing but it's still put others to shame.

I now hope Moysiewoysie fails miserably and that they need to make another swift stock market announcement at the same time next season