Charlie Adam

[Mattshark]

You really think that is the reason we are 7th?

Part of it.

[Lecter]

Part of it.

Our strikers miss-firing on a frequent basis is and has been our major problem most of the season

And thats with a team that includes "****" players such as Adam, Downing and Henderson

[Mattshark]

Our strikers miss-firing on a frequent basis is and has been our major problem most of the season

And thats with a team that includes "****" players such as Adam, Downing and Henderson

Yes, those 3 goals from midfield really helped haven't they.

I mean that is so much more helpful compared to Suarez's return.

[Lecter]

Yes, those 3 goals from midfield really helped haven't they.

I mean that is so much more helpful compared to Suarez's return.

You mean Suarez return of 6 goals in 21 league games (19 starts) and 1 assist

Hardly the form you'd expect from an AVERAGE striker/forward nevermind from someone of his quality

The FACT is ALL of our players have been profligate this season

None more so than the bulk of our strikers/forwards

[Mattshark]

You mean Suarez return of 6 goals in 21 league games (19 starts) and 1 assist

Hardly the form you'd expect from an AVERAGE striker/forward nevermind from someone of his quality

The FACT is ALL of our players have been profligate this season

None more so than the bulk of our strikers/forwards

Yes that is more goals than all of those midfielders combined

So lets blame him.

[Lecter]

Yes that is more goals than all of those midfielders combined

So lets blame him.

Its his job

Hes also had more chances than all our midfielders combined and missed more of them

His job is to score goals and provide assists which he hasnt done enough of

Just like our midfield hasnt done enough of that either

Hes as much to blame as the others

This is my whole point I refuse to seperate him from the rest of the players who arent hitting the required standard in this department

[Mattshark]

Its his job

Hes also had more chances than all our midfielders combined and missed more of them

His job is to score goals and provide assists which he hasnt done enough of

Just like our midfield hasnt done enough of that either

Hes as much to blame as the others

This is my whole point I refuse to seperate him from the rest of the players who arent hitting the required standard in this department

Yes, but he has to make most of them himself.

[Lecter]

Yes, but he has to make most of them himself.

Disagree he makes some of them himself but not most/all of them

I've said before I've no problem with him dribbling round players then missing chances

Its when hes given easy chances created by his teammates that I have a problem with and hes missed quite a few of them also

[danperkins]

Considering how unnaturally deep Adam has had to play all season his production levels have been fairly impressive. On the flip side Adam playing that deep has caused an imbalance in the midfield, and for the most part we have been playing without a natural DM.

I think injuries this season have seen likes of Adam/Henderson & Downing getting more game time than they should. Downing has no excuses he's playing in areas where he has experience and he is not producing, Henderson has been average IMO but has been played at RM alot and it's pretty evident by his performances that is not his position, although he has played at RM for Sunderland before and done well for them there.

Alot of people have given Adam stick, but forget that he is playing a deeper role than he should be. At Blackpool he pretty much had a free role in midfield & with our injuries he has been asked to fulfil a role that IMO & he is just not able to do. The guy can hardly run, he can't tackle, he is rash and his positional sense is nothing short of appalling. These aren't exactly good attributes for a deep lying CM or DM. We were starting to see a really good partnership develop between Lucas & Adam before Lucas's injury.

IMO you only see the best of Charlie Adam when there is an out and out DM behind him, that can cover the spaces and protect that back line. Clearly Adam/Gerrard CM partnership doesn't work, both aren't great defensively, and of course you sacrifice their attacking strengths. Spearing has done well and i like him, but he is never going to be a first teamer IMO, maybe a very good squaddie.

He has been incredibly frustrating at times this season, and in some cases a bit ****, especially his set pieces. But i'm not going to judge him until we see him in a more progressive role, which IMO would utilise his best assets & negate his defensive weakness. Forgetting his god awful defensive blunders, 2 goals and 11 assists from a deep CM role is pretty impressive.

EDIT: P.S. I'd be more worried about the Downing,Carroll & Henderson than i would Adam.

[Lecter]

Considering how unnaturally deep Adam has had to play all season his production levels have been fairly impressive. On the flip side Adam playing that deep has caused an imbalance in the midfield, and for the most part we have been playing without a natural DM.

I think injuries this season have seen likes of Adam/Henderson & Downing getting more game time than they should. Downing has no excuses he's playing in areas where he has experience and he is not producing, Henderson has been average IMO but has been played at RM alot and it's pretty evident by his performances that is not his position, although he has played at RM for Sunderland before and done well for them there.

Alot of people have given Adam stick, but forget that he is playing a deeper role than he should be. Ar Blackpool he pretty much had a free role in midfield & with our injuries he has been asked to fulfil a role that IMO he is just not able to do. The guy can hardly run, he can't tackle, he is rash and his positional sense is nothing short of appalling. These aren't exactly good attributes for a deep lying CM or DM. We were starting to see a really good partnership develop between Lucas & Adam before Lucas's injury.

IMO you only see the best of Charlie Adam when there is an out and out DM behind him, that can cover the spaces and protect that back line. Clearly Adam/Gerrard CM partnership doesn't work, both aren't great defensively, and of course you sacrifice their attacking strengths. Spearing has done well and i like him, but he is never going to be a first teamer IMO, maybe a very good squaddie.

[Mostar]

He's not very good though is he.

Imo not good enough for the starting job.

He's mediocre. He shouldn't take all of our set pieces because he should be on the bench at best.

His set piece delivery has been poor especially lately, which was the main reason why we brought him in the first place.

[Eric Swindler]

Very average player. Lacks class and composure. For 8 mil i guess an ok squaddie.

[baitman]

Very average player. Lacks class and composure. For 8 mil i guess an ok squaddie.

even after the glowing praise hammering he will be getting after yet another ****e performance

[danperkins]

An absolutely car crash display from Adam today. Will be a decent squad player, not a starter.

[Lee]

He's not very good is he.