Racism in Football

[McDermotX]

Bristol City looking into alleged racist comments/chants from their own fans against Luton yesterday.

Not a great day yesterday for the English game, especially following the incidents in Bulgaria, not to mention the Kick It Out push this weekend.

[Fivex]

People just don't like being told what to do by the experts it seems

[McDermotX]

Never the biggest fan of Evra (as he had more than a few of his dickhead moments), but he does come across well last night with re: Suarez, as does Carra in the main (though I think he may be being a wee bit economical with the whole 'I didn't know about the shirts').

[ame="https://youtu.be/Zy--uBqVm3A"]Patrice Evra discusses the racism incident with Luis Suarez in emotive interview | MNF - YouTube[/ame]

[sean_lfc]

Bunch of cunts, the lot of em. Obviously Daily Mail Carra wouldn't want to upset The Jeebies right now, where he's got a cushty life as a pundit (and after the spitting incident obvs wants to make amends in the public eye) . But Evra is the biggest cunt ever and he will get to meet his maker when he dies, the despicable cunt. It was a Fergieled skirmish to derail us. It was obvious with the various language experts that the whole thing was a matter of miscommunication, but every news outlet in this racist news outlet country couldn't wait to sell more papers and cry uproar. Its a ****ing stain that grinds my gears even now, still does. That was really when my yea whatever attitude towards Utd turned to venom.

[Alex]

Did you watch the video? Even in that Evra is saying that just because its a racist word, doesnt make him a racist.

Nuance was totally lost on this incident IMO.

[sean_lfc]

Did you watch the video? Even in that Evra is saying that just because its a racist word, doesnt make him a racist.

Nuance was totally lost on this incident IMO.

Hi Alex, I started watching the video but didn't bother. Of course nuances were lost, I'm referring to the incident and the massive witch hunt at the time. It was imperial at the time and ****ed me off soooo badly. I'm a language expert in dialects, cultural nuances etc. and it really boiled my piss at the time. But anyways, whatevs, I shall continue to never listen to anything Evra ever says, just like I pretty much tend to ignore everything that Carra says any more. Just wanted to vent my anger, as many on here have been trying to avoid the discussion and that ****s me off too and I, funnily enough, have been called a racist nazi at the age of 7,so I have a bit more rage towards racist flamboyant judgement (by funnily enough always white males)

[Nicey]

Evra is a snake, he is a prick of the highest order ... he is the same **** who celbrated right in front of Suarez, he made like he was moving his hand away for the hand shake and when Suarez saw it he pulled away, he owned Suarez time and time again

Suarez called him a little black girl, its prejorative but its not racist, he claimed he called him the N word, he did not, he called nigreta which basically is spanish for black, he was trying to wind him up and Evra took it and used it against him

Hes a **** of the highest order, cant stand him, he is fooling people

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BbBvGsvUz8"]PATRICE EVRA TALKS ABOUT HIS SUSPENSION | P.EVRA | P.EVRA KICKS THE FAN | - YouTube[/ame]

[Assassin]

Evra is a snake, he is a prick of the highest order ... he is the same **** who celbrated right in front of Suarez, he made like he was moving his hand away for the hand shake and when Suarez saw it he pulled away, he owned Suarez time and time again

Suarez called him a little black girl, its prejorative but its not racist, he claimed he called him the N word, he did not, he called nigreta which basically is spanish for black, he was trying to wind him up and Evra took it and used it against him

Hes a **** of the highest order, cant stand him, he is fooling people

PATRICE EVRA TALKS ABOUT HIS SUSPENSION | P.EVRA | P.EVRA KICKS THE FAN | - YouTube

Fully agree. He's a ****ing bell of the highest order. We were made to walk along to do the handshake instead them cunts. It was all well planned with him dropping his hand as the icing on the cake

[Nicey]

They ****ing played us and it was masterminded by that horrible cunt Ferguson, he is crafty sleeven. Every step of the way those arseholes owned us, it was like that Toffee prick claiming Bobby called him the N word ... were is that prick now ? I think his own people did not want anything to do with him after that

Cultural Imperialism at its worse we dont care how you use that word in your language you are in England now and it means that here .... Nonsense . proper witch hunt that was

[dom9]

Do we really need to go through this again?

[Assassin]

Do we really need to go through this again?

Its not compulsory to participate dom

[dom9]

Its not compulsory to participate dom

True.

What I will say that is that nobody came out of that saga looking good, and if you want to continue to talk about it by defending Suarez and attacking everyone else with your conspiracy theories, you'll continue very much on that trajectory.

Ultimately, you are using a thread about racism to defend someone who was found to be guilty of racist / discriminatory behaviour (irrespective of whether it was criminal prosecution or not) and you continue attacking the victim.

It's up to you of course - it ain't a good look, you can decide whether to wear it.

[Assassin]

True.

What I will say that is that nobody came out of that saga looking good, and if you want to continue to talk about it by defending Suarez and attacking everyone else with your conspiracy theories, you'll continue very much on that trajectory.

It's up to you of course - it ain't a good look, you can decide whether to wear it.

I didnt defend Suarez. I agreed it was a set up. Yes that was exactly what it was, a set up. The home team always walks the handshake line. I havent checked, but I am damn sure that vera normally stood in a different place in the handshake line up and not last.

As brilliant a footballer has been, he is undoubtably a conniving cunt. But he was well and truly ****ed over by the purple nosed cunt and vera

Bit of a low blow playing the racist card on me fella!

[dom9]

I meant the collective *you*

Anyway, I'm out.

[sean_lfc]

Do we really need to go through this again?

No one is forcing you to participate.

They had language experts from the University of somewhere up north discussion the negro/negrito comment, which is also culturally and linguistically differently used in South America. Yet is was ignored.

There are many different wordings in different languages that have ambiguous meanings when used in a pally, banter way, such as "Dicker" (fatty) in German, (Eyup ya slag) (obviously not referring to a demeaning prostitute existence), "Eh du Schwuchtel" (Oi ya poofter) etc. etc.

But that's not really the issue here. The issue here was and is that it was word against word, the language barrier and linguistic nuances were not taken into account although they were confirmed in detail by academic, independent experts, and the witch hunt was on. He received an extremely disproportionate ban considering the "beyond reasonable doubt" aspect that wasn't there,and all the high and mighty white male press, FA and fans of all teams (lager loutish fat White British males) brigade had an absolute field day on their high horses which made it a ****ing ugly spectacle.

That's what's most disappointing about it all, the moral stance being taken "Liverpool players condone a convicted racist" that was driven by the white male press, spilled onto the public streets and was lapped up by the majority of the country - which looking at the current Brexit debacle doesn't paint it in the most sophisticated cultural diversity terms - that drove an excessive amount of hate towards us, the team, the city in general. He couldn't even be proven "beyond reasonable doubt" and considering the linguistic evidence to have meant it in that way. But the whole club was hung out to dry, and I'm quite certain Hadd it not been Liverpool, the consequences would not have been as severe as they were.

Anyways, what the **** ever. Evra is a massive cunt, will always be a cunt, just as United are a classless cunt of a club and deserve all the bad karma they're getting now for decades of cunt.