Racism in Football

[Assassin]

I meant the collective *you*

Anyway, I'm out.

Which ‘you’ are referring too? As you fingered me thrice

[Nicey]

I meant the collective *you*

Anyway, I'm out.

Ok thanks for playing Dom

[Nicey]

True.

What I will say that is that nobody came out of that saga looking good, and if you want to continue to talk about it by defending Suarez and attacking everyone else with your conspiracy theories, you'll continue very much on that trajectory.

Ultimately, you are using a thread about racism to defend someone who was found to be guilty of racist / discriminatory behaviour (irrespective of whether it was criminal prosecution or not) and you continue attacking the victim.

It's up to you of course - it ain't a good look, you can decide whether to wear it.

He is not racist and people who call him such are culturally illiterate. Here is a definition from urban dictionary for your reference

Negrita
Spanish word for black girl (negra), used as a term of endearment or just descriptive without being offensive...adding ita/ito to the end of a word is endearing ie. abuelito/a bebito/a, besito...

Some English speakers and Americans would like to make this into an offensive word...see the definitions for negrito but negrito/a is not offensive or racist despite sounding like an English word that is offensive. In fact using negrita is like saying cute little black girl not exact translation.

[Nicey]

He is many but he is not a ****ing racist ... Here is a ****ing song for you ... perhaps we should burn out Rollin stones records too

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCYoCAOZbI"]The Rolling Stones - Hey Negrita - OFFICIAL PROMO - YouTube[/ame]

[frank the tank]

No one is forcing you to participate.

They had language experts from the University of somewhere up north discussion the negro/negrito comment, which is also culturally and linguistically differently used in South America. Yet is was ignored.

There are many different wordings in different languages that have ambiguous meanings when used in a pally, banter way, such as "Dicker" (fatty) in German, (Eyup ya slag) (obviously not referring to a demeaning prostitute existence), "Eh du Schwuchtel" (Oi ya poofter) etc. etc.

But that's not really the issue here. The issue here was and is that it was word against word, the language barrier and linguistic nuances were not taken into account although they were confirmed in detail by academic, independent experts, and the witch hunt was on. He received an extremely disproportionate ban considering the "beyond reasonable doubt" aspect that wasn't there,and all the high and mighty white male press, FA and fans of all teams (lager loutish fat White British males) brigade had an absolute field day on their high horses which made it a ****ing ugly spectacle.

That's what's most disappointing about it all, the moral stance being taken "Liverpool players condone a convicted racist" that was driven by the white male press, spilled onto the public streets and was lapped up by the majority of the country - which looking at the current Brexit debacle doesn't paint it in the most sophisticated cultural diversity terms - that drove an excessive amount of hate towards us, the team, the city in general. He couldn't even be proven "beyond reasonable doubt" and considering the linguistic evidence to have meant it in that way. But the whole club was hung out to dry, and I'm quite certain Hadd it not been Liverpool, the consequences would not have been as severe as they were.

Anyways, what the **** ever. Evra is a massive cunt, will always be a cunt, just as United are a classless cunt of a club and deserve all the bad karma they're getting now for decades of cunt.

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[frank the tank]

Which ‘you’ are referring too? As you fingered me thrice

Jesus..........was it consensual??

[dom9]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/genk-vs-liverpool-divock-origi-banner-racism-in-football-john-barnes-salah-mane-fans-the-kop-anfield-a9168816.html

Divock Origi banner: Forget the result in Genk – last night was another bleak night for Liverpool Football Club

Every week seems to bring a new low in the legitimising of racism in everyday life. Football, as the biggest expression of working-class culture in Britain, plays a huge part in this normalisation of hatred.

Last night in Genk a banner in the Liverpool end featured a caricature of Divock Origi with a huge penis. It was taken down before the match and the club were rightly furious. The response on social media by too many supporters was to suggest that it was merely a play on the striker’s name. The very idea is appalling.

One of the underpinning features of racism is a fear of black men’s sexuality. It was a huge factor in the wave of lynchings that swept through America after the Civil War and way into the 20th century. The NAACP, one of the most significant organisations in the battle for civil rights in the US and an important movement for social justice to this day, says, “Whites started lynching because they felt it was necessary to protect white women.”

Black men are frequently sexualised in an animalistic manner. There is a deep, ingrained fear in bigots that they will “corrupt” the “white race” through miscegenation. It is not about rape or assault. Emmett Till, a 14-year-old, was hanged by a mob in Mississippi in 1955 for supposedly whistling at a white woman. The suggestion that black men have a dangerous sexuality has been one of the most corrosive components in race relations. It is a deep, dangerous notion that is lodged in the subconscious of many people. Those who seek to excuse it betray their innate racism.

There will be plenty of people who claim that it is a “positive stereotype.” "Wouldn’t we all love a big penis?" they will ask, as if that legitimises the notion. That is just a smokescreen for bigotry. It’s hard to imagine a white player having his manhood depicted in such a way.

The ‘play on words’ theory is also disturbing. It is not rational to think ‘big cock’ when you hear the name Divock. That should be enough to alert the authorities. There are some worrying antecedents from the past, though.

Liverpool supporters rightly laud John Barnes for the way he faced down the haters and his continuing outspokenness on the subject of racism. Yet some of us were uncomfortable with the nickname given to Barnes when he joined the club in 1987. He was referred to as ‘Digger,’ after a character with the same surname in Dallas, the glossy soap opera. There was always a winking, smartarsedness about the use of the moniker. Everyone was aware of its closeness to the N-word and many were amused by the rhyme. This suggestion will cause howls of outrage but it is nonetheless true. It does not matter that Barnes embraced the nickname; like it or not, there was a provocative element to it.

The Origi banner is indefensible in the same way that Luis Suarez’s treatment of Patrice Evra was outrageously unjustified. Yet some supporters on social media sought to deny the offence and dissemble the reality of the insult. In a week where Jamie Carragher admirable apologised to Evra, the banner is another blow to the reputation of Liverpool supporters. It would be wrong to tar an entire fanbase with the racist brush but it is another worrying sign that insidious currents are at work in football and society.

Liverpool’s support is generally left-wing and inclusive but over the past two years more and more reports have emerged from fans from ethnic minority backgrounds saying that they have been abused because of their race. The club have tried their best to eliminate the wrongdoers but the creeping unpleasantness reflects the growing division in everyday life.

The banner was another depressing moment for a sport that should be uplifting. Ability on the pitch transcends race, religion and sexuality. The way the Kop have embraced Mo Salah and Sadio Mane as Muslims is credit to the supporters. But the Origi flag - and the backing of Suarez - causes one to wonder whether the love for Salah and Mane is real or just because the Islamic players wear the red shirt. Is it really an example of inclusion or just a function of football fanaticism, in the same way that the obsessive urge to justify Suarez’s actions came through red-tinted glasses?

Forget the result in Genk. Last night was another bleak night for Liverpool Football Club.

[Alex]

Things like this should be teaching moments and used as examples where people have ****ed up and shouldn't do the same again.

Id wager that the lad who did it just thought he was having fun. Its a Whatsapp meme that has been sent to me more times than I care to remember.

As long as we accept it for what it is, bigotry. If we as fans all start lashing out and saying people cannot take a joke. Then we've learnt nothing.

[Buzzo]

A thought provoking article.

Particularly given the true fact that we did all attempt to square away the Suarez incident which was undeniably due to his importance to the club.

We can only learn I suppose. The banner was shocking, but I am 100% sure many people will not see the issue. This article clears all of that up, and hopefully helps educate.

[Harv]

One thing we can all agree on. Thats one hell of a schlong

[frank the tank]

One thing we can all agree on. Thats one hell of a schlong

It would help explain how Divock sometimes can't get his shot away too.

Nobody has asked about who took the photo of Divock. It looked like he was posing for that photo

[Buzzo]

One thing we can all agree on. Thats one hell of a schlong

It would help explain how Divock sometimes can't get his shot away too.

Nobody has asked about who took the photo of Divock. It looked like he was posing for that photo

[Fosterbloke]

It explains his impressive no hands leaning ability.

[Nicey]

A thought provoking article.

Particularly given the true fact that we did all attempt to square away the Suarez incident which was undeniably due to his importance to the club.

We can only learn I suppose. The banner was shocking, but I am 100% sure many people will not see the issue. This article clears all of that up, and hopefully helps educate.

This incident with Origi is clearly racist, the people who made that banner would be shocked and would protest their innocence but it is racist. Suarez calling Patrice Evra a little black girl is prejorative ... there is a ****ing massive difference ... just because a word sounds like a bad word, that does not make the word bad.

Its cultural ignorance and arrogance

Is the rollin stones song posted above Racists ?

Negrita is a term of endearment ... Suarez was winding him up ... he was calling him his little sweet girl ....Negrita is never used with racist intent and it is not a racist word .. its still been used today over and over again by people of all colours in non english speaking countries with zero problems and zero people claiming its racist

[fah-q]

I've often thought about the nickname that Barnes had. I remember someone from the club once saying it was because his initials are JCB.

Is it just a bit of a retconning for a bit of slightly racist banter though? Not sure we could ever know that though.