FIFA ban poppies from England kits.

[cream]

OK, now can we get back to topic of why a racist cunt is captaining the England team.

[Assassin]

Because the poppies have been blacked

[Neil Young]

It's pathetic.

Wilshere - who isn't old enough to better so we'll let him off - has said it's a tradition. It's not a f*cking tradition to wear a poppy on a football shirt.

Still, let's all mark the sacrifice of those slaughtered in world wars and those who volunteered in more recent conflicts who were prepared to give their lives so that the FA and David Cameron can tart up their image in order to sell their dubious products to the English public.

[Kenneth]

If people think it's about tradition, then the message is clearly failing.

[Craig_H]

FIFA have said they can wear black armbands with poppies on them.

Problem solved, hysteria can calm down now and people who dont really care can stop pretending to.

[lfcred]

Yeh but it's the fact that FIFA stopped it in the first place that is disgraceful! what difference does it make that the poopies are worn on an armband or the actual shirt!!!

[Craig_H]

Why is it disgraceful?

The rules are the rules and everyone knows them, so where's the disgrace?

The disgrace is in the English, as usual, thinking they are different from everyone else and should be able to be treated differently.

[Nicey]

How could that be anything but disrespectful. It's a completely blinkered view and although you might not want it to be, it's very insulting.

Thats your opinion, I have mine, with respect. I wont begrudge people wearing them nor will I judge them, buts its not for me nor do I think a poppy on a lapel of a person for 99.999% of there time gives absolutely no thought or consideration to the dead of battles both present and past is any kind of worthwhile gesture. A better gesture would be buy a book and learn abut rhe sacrifices these young men and women made, and how lucky you have what you have week, badge. But thats me and I dance to my own bizarre tune I know

[Nicey]

Why is it disgraceful?

The rules are the rules and everyone knows them, so where's the disgrace?

The disgrace is in the English, as usual, thinking they are different from everyone else and should be able to be treated differently.

This for me is the Rub, and its not a good look and if you couple it with the meaningless appeal of Rooneys obvious violent conduct charge, the English FA are not covering themselves in glory.

Really what better way to remember the dead of a conflict than showing some maturity, some comprise and showing people who solutions are found ie an Armband ... not We want it on the shirt and we Demand you put it there !!

If you cant see that you are part of the bigger problem at large with Society ... You cant always get what you want

[Craig_H]

This for me is the Rub, and its not a good look and if you couple it with the meaningless appeal of Rooneys obvious violent conduct charge, the English FA are not covering themselves in glory.

Really what better way to remember the dead of a conflict than showing some maturity, some comprise and showing people who solutions are found ie an Armband ... not We want it on the shirt and we Demand you put it there !!

If you cant see that you are part of the bigger problem at large with Society ... You cant always get what you want

Well put.

Instead, the english public/fans stamp their feet like babies, cry a bit and call anyone who disagrees with them 'a disgrace'.

"You're a disgrace because you're insisting we play by the rules! Us??? Play by the rules? Who the **** do you think we are??? We're ****ing England!"

[Alex]

Rules can be a bit laughable sometimes when the organisation enforcing them doesnt follow their own. Its not a case of 'We're England, so we want to do this' If I remember, we played by the rules for the bidding of the World Cup, and look where that got us. Its hardly like there asking for handballs to be legalised is it?

I see no problem with a symbol of rememberance on the shirts. Its wasnt done in the past no, but if people want to do it now. Then why not.

It is, as most have said, hysteria over something very tiny.

[Vermilion]

Rules can be a bit laughable sometimes when the organisation enforcing them doesnt follow their own. Its not a case of 'We're England, so we want to do this' If I remember, we played by the rules for the bidding of the World Cup, and look where that got us. Its hardly like there asking for handballs to be legalised is it?

I see no problem with a symbol of rememberance on the shirts. Its wasnt done in the past no, but if people want to do it now. Then why not.

It is, as most have said, hysteria over something very tiny.

[Craig_H]

I can fully see why this rule is in place - you open the door slightly for poppies and goodness knows what some other countries may propose in future.

Argentina with a memorial to their lost men in the Falklands when they next play England?

Christ, you might get the Afghanistan FA deciding they want a picture of Bin Laden on their shirts next

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if anything like that happened, the British media, FA and fans would be the first to kick off about it and the loudest in doing so.

Cant be setting a precedent here.

Putting them on black armbands is a good compromise, it doesnt break the rules and allows England's players to pay their respects during the game - what's the problem?

[Vermilion]

Well put.

Instead, the english public/fans stamp their feet like babies, cry a bit and call anyone who disagrees with them 'a disgrace'.

"You're a disgrace because you're insisting we play by the rules! Us??? Play by the rules? Who the **** do you think we are??? We're ****ing England!"

Sounds like us football fans.

'Liverpool should be in the Champions league! We won it, ok we did'nt qualify, but change the rules eh and we'll all be quiet'.

How the **** must Evertonians have felt then! Imagine the tables turned. Did'nt hear you standing up for their rights, or the enforcement of certain rules.

[Alex]

Why is this Argentina example used every time? They are well within there rights to remember their war dead. If anything it could help promote relations between countries. Id expect that some people will be remembering those that died in the falklands too on Rememberance Sunday. Are Argentina kicking off about this? Nope.

The denial of these things breed contempt. I think its pretty small minded to think that countries will now take this as an excuse to stick whatever they want on there.