Manchester United

[Sarb]

i think he'd be a great signing for united

actually i'll rephrase that, he'd be a great signing for united under ferguson - if fergie was there, i'd be a bit worried cause his pull would probably convince fabregas and i think ferguson would have him doing the paul scholes role which they've really struggled to replace

moyes though - i'm not sure he'll have anything ****ing idea what to do with him

He'll be bypassed under Moyes. He's a route one man.

[dww]

i don't know how to put this

i think he's a class footballer,

but he is and he isn't overrated.

for example - you and shaggy saying he's overrated? well where do you rate him?

i rate him top class - he's not in the top 10 in the world, - but i'd say as centre mids go he's up there.

however i also agree that some people can go over board

whilst he's much much better than say Arteta..he's not Iniesta either

****....i've just spoke Arnish

He's not ideally suited to the way Barcelona have been going into an ever more possession based system. He's to forward looking in everything he does. I suspect a bit more pragmatic/vertical approach would see him prove how good he is, which seems to be what people believe Martino will bring to Barca.

[Shaggy]

I wouldn't even rate him in the top 10 CMs in the world. He doesn't influence games enough. And £35m is too much for him IMO.

[Alex]

Read this morning that Martino said a year or so back that Fabregas was going to be crucial to how Barca progressed going forward. So Id say there is a chance he will stay.

[PTP]

I wouldn't even rate him in the top 10 CMs in the world. He doesn't influence games enough. And £35m is too much for him IMO.

disagree a bit - he was outstanding for arsenal, defo influenced games for them and many as youngster as he was coming through -

had some patchy spells through injury

just unlucky with barca that their system doesn't quite suit him and the 'best' positions for him there are taken up by Xavi and Iniesta, who no-one in the world could replace.

As i say, if it was ferguson signing him for united i'd be worried - cause with fergie managing him, and him playing regularly, i'd say he'd have a storming season for them

[destinydude]

I wouldn't even rate him in the top 10 CMs in the world. He doesn't influence games enough. And £35m is too much for him IMO.

Wash your mouth and wash it with soap.

Fabregas is worth every bit of the money that ManU will want to pay. Don't let his performances for Barca blind you. He's proper ****ing ace. I'd take him at 35m

[Daniel 7]

Why would he want to leave Barcelona for United though? He's potentially on the cusp of inheriting the Xavi role given his age, at the club he supported that he fought to get a move to - claiming destiny etc.

Its another one that reeks of desperation and absolute bollocks.

[Pablo]

Not sure if he's overrated or not. I mean check out the number of assists and goals he consistently provides:



That's pretty damn good IMO. I admit he doesn't run a game in the same manner as a Xabi or a Xavi does, but he sure is productive.

Put it this way I'd be gutted if they sign him. They won't though

[Daniel 7]

He's not as good as peak Scholes was. Seems a bit like United papering over the cracks - they need more than Fabregas.

[saj]

Not sure if he's overrated or not. I mean check out the number of assists and goals he consistently provides:



That's pretty damn good IMO. I admit he doesn't run a game in the same manner as a Xabi or a Xavi does, but he sure is productive.

Put it this way I'd be gutted if they sign him. They won't though

He was outstanding for Arsenal. Those figures above (for his stint at Arsenal) are not accurate.

Fabregas made 70 assists in the Premier League, more than any other player during his seven seasons at Arsenal.

He was involved in 105 Premier League goals (scoring 35, assisting 70). Only Lampard (162), Rooney (154), Drogba (146) and Ronaldo (110) were involved in more during the same time.

Arsenal won 59% of PL games with Fabregas playing (126 of 212) and just 44% without (24 of 54) when he was at the club.

[Muddled]

Robin van Persie's pre-season injury niggle is down to 'dinosaur coaching' methods, says Dutch fitness expert

David Moyes’s pre-season handling of Robin van Persie has been called into question by a Dutch fitness specialist who has worked with several leading clubs and was assistant to the late Wales manager Gary Speed

Van Persie was withdrawn at half-time during United’s friendly in Japan on Tuesday because he had experienced tightness in a thigh.

Moyes said the substitution was pre*cautionary and that he expected the striker to be fine, but the new Manchester United manager was still subjected to stinging criticism from Raymond Verheijen, who has worked with Barcelona, Chelsea and Manchester City among others and has a reputation for being outspoken.

Writing on his Twitter account, Verheijin noted that Moyes had previously said United had ‘overtrained’ Van Persie at the start of pre-season.

He wrote: “In Sydney Moyes said: ‘We’ve overtrained Robin this week to build up his fitness’. [In Japan] he picked up muscle injury. It really makes you wonder how these prehistoric training methods can still take place at the highest level.

"The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys.

Robin van Persie's pre-season injury niggle is down to 'dinosaur coaching' methods, says Dutch fitness expert
David Moyes’s pre-season handling of Robin van Persie has been called into question by a Dutch fitness specialist who has worked with several leading clubs and was assistant to the late Wales manager Gary Speed.

Moyes said the substitution was pre*cautionary and that he expected the striker to be fine, but the new Manchester United manager was still subjected to stinging criticism from Raymond Verheijen, who has worked with Barcelona, Chelsea and Manchester City among others and has a reputation for being outspoken.

Writing on his Twitter account, Verheijin noted that Moyes had previously said United had ‘overtrained’ Van Persie at the start of pre-season.

He wrote: “In Sydney Moyes said: ‘We’ve overtrained Robin this week to build up his fitness’. [In Japan] he picked up muscle injury. It really makes you wonder how these prehistoric training methods can still take place at the highest level.

"The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys.

"All over the world in pre-season you see the pattern ‘overtraining-fatigue-injuries’. Always avoid accumulation of fatigue in pre-season.

"But as long as most dinosaurs are still in denial & ignore how things develop in other countries, nothing will ever change in Jurassic Park. Obviously, players like RVP should learn to protect themselves better against ‘overtraining’ & ‘punishing training’.”

Moyes admits he will be forced to rely on Ryan Giggs to guide him through the early stages of United’s Champions League campaign after admitting he has much to learn about the competition.

Moyes, who suffered a 4-2 aggregate defeat with Everton against Villarreal in the 2005-06 qualifying stages, will experience the Champions League proper for the first time as a manager when United begin their group stage fixtures in September.

Having taken charge of Everton on 26 occasions in Europe, Moyes was unable to go beyond the last 16 of the Uefa Cup or Europa League, but he takes charge of United with the club aiming to build a squad capable of winning the European Cup for a fourth time.

But while conceding that he will go into the Champions League as a relative rookie this season, Moyes believes that player-coach Giggs, who has more than 150 European appearances to his name, will be a crucial sounding board during the group stages.

“For me, the Champions League will be a thrill, but I’m going to have to learn a lot quickly,” Moyes said. “That’s where I’m looking to the likes of Ryan Giggs and a few players around me for the things which I need to be told about.

“It’s not all about the playing side of it – I’ve been in the Champions League [qualifiers], watched loads of games and managed in the Europa League – everybody has to start somewhere.”

With efforts continuing at United to lure Barcelona midfielder Cesc Fabregas to Old Trafford, Moyes, in Osaka ahead of Friday’s friendly in Japan, remains hopeful of adding to the squad he inherited from Sir Alex Ferguson before the start of the season.

But having admitted that he must win a trophy quickly, Moyes is determined to add to the club’s history of success in Europe.

“The history of this club is immersed in Europe and I think to win one of the big European tournaments would always been seen as something special,” Moyes said.

“Winning your own domestic league is very important, but winning the Champions League has become very important, for the country and Premier League as well.

“I think the year when Manchester United and Chelsea played in the final, everyone connected to football in this country stuck their chest out.

“It was the German teams this year, in the past it’s been the Spanish teams. I genuinely think there’s a swell of pride from our country that we want the British teams to do really well.

“But I’ve got to say I’m really looking forward to it and hopefully we can do well this season and I do think it’s a much more open competition than it has been in the past.

“Even from the draw – if you don’t get a particularly good draw it can become a struggle whichever part of the world you’re playing in now.”

LINK: The Telegraph

[Assassin]

Dinomoyesysaurus has already injured van percy and his back up rooney

Wellbeck to the rescue

[PTP]

from bbc gossip (telegraph)

Manchester United boss David Moyes has been labelled a "dinosaur" after striker Robin van Persie, 29, was injured in only his second pre-season appearance.

[Reece]

Haha, this could be a fun adventure.

[ChesterDave]

"The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns & scientific cowboys"