Manchester United

[Deano]

I may be mistaken but when it first broke her father was defend Greenwood saying what a good lad he was.

Yep he did

[Deano]

TBF to United here, when this all kicked off they refused to appoint any in house or external lawyers to assist him. told him it was for him to resolve, albeit they recommend lawyers to help him. I believe a lot in the club are and still disgusted, so it seems they are between a rock and a hard place with him.

Not sure what the MUFC Women's team will take on this if they bring him back in ?

[Deano]

Abused woman goes back to abusive partner. They almost always do. Multiple times

[Charly]

Abused woman goes back to abusive partner. They almost always do. Multiple times

Should the case proceed using the evidence gathered without her testimony?

If its that easy to get away with it, surely they have enough to convict him of something?

[ChesterDave]

Should the case proceed using the evidence gathered without her testimony?

I suggested this when discussing it with a colleague in work. It could be argued there is a public interest argument in doing all that is possible to ensure an alleged law-breaker is punished even if the victim is not supporting the case. I am fairly sure I have heard of legal cases proceeding in the past without the support of the victim.

[Exiled_red]

I was wondering this, particularly in light of the fact that so many people have heard the audio recording which sounds fairly damping, you could imagine that having said the lack of evidence making a conviction unlikely could discourage other victims from coming forward

[ChesterDave]

Related from earlier this this year. Fortunately convicted but not unanimously despite presenting at trial written and audio confessions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64248542

If I knew the not guilty people in that jury I'm sure I'd want to cut them out of my life and it just shows how depressingly easy it is to convince a jury sex was consensual or didn't happen at all. Not a surprise authorities don't continue cases knowing there is no chance of a guilty verdict

[spud_gun]

TBF to United here, when this all kicked off they refused to appoint any in house or external lawyers to assist him. told him it was for him to resolve, albeit they recommend lawyers to help him. I believe a lot in the club are and still disgusted, so it seems they are between a rock and a hard place with him.

Not sure what the MUFC Women's team will take on this if they bring him back in ?

I don't think they are tbh

From a moral standpoint it's an absolute no brainer that they release Greenwood.

[RichC]

I don't think they are tbh

From a moral standpoint it's an absolute no brainer that they release Greenwood.

Not sure if we will see morality in this situation though, easy to say he isn't guilty and we're going to give him all the help and support he needs etc.....

[Buzzo]

He was back on the club website within about 5 mins of the statement, which seems very instructive of where they are with it all.

Agree though, anywhere else in society this is not even a topic for discussion. These cases just leave me cold each and every time. Same outcome every time.

[Buzzo]

NSFW.

Incase anyone forgets what we are dealing with here.

[ame]https://twitter.com/Beno_ldn/status/1621163882051174401[/ame]

[Frog83]

If he wasn't viewed as a great talent they would have no hesitation in releasing him. Shouldn't be that way though really. Will be interesting to see how long this drags on for. I suspect they will keep him but send him on loan somewhere until the dust settles.

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[Doc_Piptorious]

I don't think they are tbh

From a moral standpoint it's an absolute no brainer that they release Greenwood.

Won't exist unfortunately because the law of the land will back him over a moral stance.

What is right and what is legal are often poles apart.

[Doc_Piptorious]

If he wasn't viewed as a great talent they would have no hesitation in releasing him. Shouldn't be that way though really. Will be interesting to see how long this drags on for. I suspect they will keep him but send him on loan somewhere until the dust settles.

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Being a vindictive prick when it comes to this sort of thing, I would keep him on the books for the duration of his contract, pay him what he is legally due under the terms of the contract and let him train alone and not play a game once, not a senior game, not an under age game, not a training game, nothing.

And have him have to turn up at whatever the "work" times are for his training alone sessions.


Basically let his career stall and rot but not giving him a leg to stand on legally as he gets paid what he is due and he gets to train inm proper facilities. And fine the **** out of him every time he misses a solo training session or anything else the club wants him to do.

Would not release him though as he would soon find some other club willing to play him.

Just let him become that domestic violence guy who almost became a footballer.

[Buzzo]

I wouldn't be comfortable standing in a stadium supporting one of our lads if evidence existed of them doing the same.

I already have to chat to my kids about this stuff at far too young an age because they learn about it through following football. Some important conversations (consent) to be had with boys, but does feel like they aren't able to be innocent for long.

I wonder how the non-pond life Man U support feel about this?