Manchester United

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Had this exact conversation yesterday, what on earth is he doing. If is not working with the current squad, why on earth persist? He very well might be out of a job if keeps it up.

I guess they are safe from relegation, and unlikely to get into Europe, it gets the players who are going to be around next season used to his system, while showing the owners that they need significant investment to get to where he wants them to be. That's all I can assume.

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I reckon Amorim wants out. The reality of the situation clearly far worse than he expected.

I dunno if it’s because he is managing this catastrophic situation, but I quite like him his honesty around how **** they are is amusing considering the aspirations they have. He’s not doing a good job or anything, they are very poor and it’s hard to see a way out of it for them but the problems they al have just keep on mounting up.

How they have such a poor and weak squad given the levels of investment is staggering. And players that leave them are flourishing I see Antony has scored 3 in 4 at Betis and Scott McTominay continues to flourish at Napoli.

I'm not sure he wants out. Imagine being the manager who turned Man U around? They'd be lauded the same way we laid Klopp

It might be the case that he's simply not that good a manager.

[ChesterDave]

They'd be lauded the same way we laid Klopp

He was a good manager and I liked him but at no point did I do that to the man

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He was a good manager and I liked him but at no point did I do that to the man

We'd all lay him given half the chance

[Buzzo]

I'm not sure he wants out. Imagine being the manager who turned Man U around? They'd be lauded the same way we laid Klopp

It might be the case that he's simply not that good a manager.

Both scenarios are decent. I don’t think he can turn them round and the transfer limitations sound encouraging.

Plus, he may not be that good a manager. He’s definitely made them even worse since ETH got sacked which seemed an impossibility.

[Irishnev]

Clearly we are all thinking the same thing, I saw his recent press conference and I wondered all of what is being said above. I think he clearly has a high opinion of himself (as all professional football managers do) and I genuinely don't think he wants to get "fired" so he must be angling for something else. I guess it's players and backing is what he is after, if he is so rigid to his formation then he needs players to suit that. The thing is that 3 at the back is less and less in vogue so what if he actually turns out to be **** after splurging a load on players who are bought to suit a formation that the next manager may not like.

I'm a little torn because I think he is a very good manager and I actually think he will come good but I don't know what good is for United in their current state. But..... I can't rule out what I am seeing, any manager worth his salt comes in, gets the bounce and can improve the team with good coaching/tactics. Are the players there so bad or perhaps he isn't as good as I thought? I am loving the brutal honesty and downplaying expectations, this is Roy Hodgson levels of low bar expectations here Long may it continue

[Buzzo]

The thing with Klopp is he saw potential in the squad he was inheriting and managed to get rid of the players he didn’t need whilst upgrading the spine of the team. The comparison shows that he was able to quickly identify how to change that and then his ability to coach players to exceptional levels far ahead of what we thought them capable of (his identifying how to use Firmino a prime example). He also had a team with a few leaders in Henderson and Milner who became on field lieutenants and enforcers of club standards. I don’t see any of that at Utd. Their squad is a mess. We also got lucky with transfers but I think the players we signed fell into an environment that was improving and that assisted with improvement and integration.

The luck came ironically with a player we wanted to keep (Coutinho) leaving for massive money that enabled us to bring in 2 massive game changers in Virgil and Allison and had begun with a player that was surpassing everything expected in Salah.

So you need talent, ability, environment and luck. Not an easy set of circumstances to achieve in a club which appears to have a broken structure behind the scenes. How do you fix all of that? Almost impossible and certainly not possible for just one manager hence the conveyor belt of talent they go through on and off the pitch.

They look quite ****ed right now.

[Sus]

I think he’s sending a message to Ratcliffe about forcing him to take the job mid season vs his preference in the summer

He knows they’re not going to fire him so is essentially writing off half a season by forcing the adoption of his principles so they’re aren’t starting from scratch in the summer

But as someone said above, half these players are unlikely to be there in 18 months so won’t he be doing a lot of the same embedding then?

It’s mental that they have essentially written off a season for this manager - they can never fire him now, unless it turns into a complete dumpster fire

[Doc_Piptorious]

Clearly we are all thinking the same thing, I saw his recent press conference and I wondered all of what is being said above. I think he clearly has a high opinion of himself (as all professional football managers do) and I genuinely don't think he wants to get "fired" so he must be angling for something else. I guess it's players and backing is what he is after, if he is so rigid to his formation then he needs players to suit that. The thing is that 3 at the back is less and less in vogue so what if he actually turns out to be **** after splurging a load on players who are bought to suit a formation that the next manager may not like.

I'm a little torn because I think he is a very good manager and I actually think he will come good but I don't know what good is for United in their current state. But..... I can't rule out what I am seeing, any manager worth his salt comes in, gets the bounce and can improve the team with good coaching/tactics. Are the players there so bad or perhaps he isn't as good as I thought? I am loving the brutal honesty and downplaying expectations, this is Roy Hodgson levels of low bar expectations here Long may it continue

And that is the crux of it for me.


Think Klopp for a minute. Put him in charge of the exact same squad of players that Amorim got.


Do you for a minute think that there would not be some sort of defined way of playing showing by now? One that was designed around getting the best out of the players that are there for now.

Some of the defensive basics being brought into play and maybe signs of attacking patterns being built on the defensive side of things.


Hell don't even look at a manager of Klopp's level.


Drop any manager with a track record of working with a weaker squad (weaker compared to the best teams) and drop a Thomas Frank or an Unai Emery in there and I would bet that a more pragmatic approach would have been taken for the rest of the season, players evaluated as a set up designed to get to the summer was put in place.


Amorim is starting to stink of a guy who needs his players to be better than the majority of those in the league for his set ups to work. He is also starting to stink of being a guy who works harder at passing the buck than he does at leading a team.


Is looking like we dodged a massive bullet in him (if our reported interest really was concrete to begin with).

His seeming lack of pragmatism, leadership qualities and tactical nous look a million miles away from what now looks like the comfort blanket of being in charge of one of the top teams in what is basically a three team league

[dom9]

And that is the crux of it for me.


Think Klopp for a minute. Put him in charge of the exact same squad of players that Amorim got.


Do you for a minute think that there would not be some sort of defined way of playing showing by now? One that was designed around getting the best out of the players that are there for now.

Some of the defensive basics being brought into play and maybe signs of attacking patterns being built on the defensive side of things.


Hell don't even look at a manager of Klopp's level.


Drop any manager with a track record of working with a weaker squad (weaker compared to the best teams) and drop a Thomas Frank or an Unai Emery in there and I would bet that a more pragmatic approach would have been taken for the rest of the season, players evaluated as a set up designed to get to the summer was put in place.


Unai Emery is starting to stink of a guy who needs his players to be better than the majority of those in the league for his set ups to work. He is also starting to stink of being a guy who works harder at passing the buck than he does at leading a team.


Is looking like we dodged a massive bullet in him (if our reported interest really was concrete to begin with).

His seeming lack of pragmatism, leadership qualities and tactical nous look a million miles away from what now looks like the comfort blanket of being in charge of one of the top teams in what is basically a three team league

You mean Amorim, right? Not Emery.

[Doc_Piptorious]

You mean Amorim, right? Not Emery.

I did.

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And that is the crux of it for me.


Think Klopp for a minute. Put him in charge of the exact same squad of players that Amorim got.


Do you for a minute think that there would not be some sort of defined way of playing showing by now? One that was designed around getting the best out of the players that are there for now.

Some of the defensive basics being brought into play and maybe signs of attacking patterns being built on the defensive side of things.


Hell don't even look at a manager of Klopp's level.


Drop any manager with a track record of working with a weaker squad (weaker compared to the best teams) and drop a Thomas Frank or an Unai Emery in there and I would bet that a more pragmatic approach would have been taken for the rest of the season, players evaluated as a set up designed to get to the summer was put in place.


Amorim is starting to stink of a guy who needs his players to be better than the majority of those in the league for his set ups to work. He is also starting to stink of being a guy who works harder at passing the buck than he does at leading a team.


Is looking like we dodged a massive bullet in him (if our reported interest really was concrete to begin with).

His seeming lack of pragmatism, leadership qualities and tactical nous look a million miles away from what now looks like the comfort blanket of being in charge of one of the top teams in what is basically a three team league

Klopp is an easy example as he is amongst the greatest managers ever.

Better comparisons would be Moyes at Everton, Glasner at Palace and Espirito Santo at Forrest

Manager who took over teams midway through a season and have managed to get a tune out of the squad they inherited.

Rubens problem is his inflexibility when it comes to formation

[EwarWoo]

Amorim is starting to stink of a guy who needs his players to be better than the majority of those in the league for his set ups to work. He is also starting to stink of being a guy who works harder at passing the buck than he does at leading a team.

The similarities to Mourinho never end.

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The similarities to Mourinho never end.

Nah....he's not even close to Jose.

Jose was a European champion while managing in Portugal.

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The similarities to Mourinho never end.

I was thinking more AVB than Mourinho