Fabrice Muamba

[Mattshark]

What is the list?

I post earlier what offences he could have been tried under.
Most likely 2 counts of racial abuse (with incitement).
At least 4 counts of harrasment.
At least 4 public order offecnces.
And possible assault, maybe in this case racially aggrivated assault.

Aditionally he admitted inciting racial hatred.

[Mattshark]

Dunno, but looking at anylist he would have been better at going on the rob from peoples bank accounts or filming them having sex as the same judge thinks they are only worthy of community orders.

Out of curiosity, do you know the details of the case?

[Hollowman]

in this case of a cumulation of offences not a single offence, not just harrasment and abuse, but also racially agrivated abuse too.
I doubt this is just making an example of him, it is most likely that he has been done on numerous offences.

There is a list of offences he is guilty of, the man got what was coming to him. People like to think they can act how they want on the internet without real repercussions and that should not be the case.

Elaborate.

He was charged solely on the Twitter activity that followed his initial Muamba tweet. While he was racially abusive, I don't see how it warrants a custodial sentence and a complete re-alignment of his life. He was in his final year of a biology degree at Swansea University. Are we now saying that one evening of being a cunt should be measured against the totality of someone's life and be found to weigh more? Ridiculous. And beyond that, dangerous.

It clearly wasn't an act of premeditated racial hatred, and people were under no obligation to read what he had Tweeted, let alone reply to it. There's a deep irony in people taking moral offence at someone's racial comments and then society proceeding to hang the kid out to dry.

[Mattshark]

Elaborate.

He was charged solely on the Twitter activity that followed his initial Muamba tweet. While he was racially abusive, I don't see how it warrants a custodial sentence and a complete re-alignment of his life. He was in his final year of a biology degree at Swansea University. Are we now saying that one evening of being a cunt should be measured against the totality of someone's life and be found to weigh more? Ridiculous. And beyond that, dangerous.

It clearly wasn't an act of premeditated racial hatred, and people were under no obligation to read what he had Tweeted, let alone reply to it. There's a deep irony in people taking moral offence at someone's racial comments and then society proceeding to hang the kid out to dry.

Well he did admit to inciting racial hatred and verbal or typed abuse can constitute assault, harrasment and public order offences.

That is just a list of what he could have been done for, I'd be surprised if the other posts and had not been taken into account as they also contravene the law.

If you know the potential consequence of what you are typing you have little defence. Typing something out is more premeditated than shouting something out.

Even without a custodial sentence, he would have almost certainly been expelled from university anyway imo.

If you had one night of being a cunt and threatened someone you have commited an assault too, or broken a window.

The internet should not be allowed to be somewhere to act in an uncivil manner with anomnimity, something you will know people do with regularity if you have ever played an online game.

[dom9]

Well he did admit to inciting racial hatred and verbal or typed abuse can constitute assault, harrasment and public order offences.

That is just a list of what he could have been done for, I'd be surprised if the other posts and had not been taken into account as they also contravene the law.

If you know the potential consequence of what you are typing you have little defence. Typing something out is more premeditated than shouting something out.

Even without a custodial sentence, he would have almost certainly been expelled from university anyway imo.

If you had one night of being a cunt and threatened someone you have commited an assault too, or broken a window.

The internet should not be allowed to be somewhere to act in an uncivil manner with anomnimity, something you will know people do with regularity if you have ever played an online game.

I wish certain people would premeditate their posts more often. Bit of a rubbish argument that.

[Hollowman]

The internet should not be allowed to be somewhere to act in an uncivil manner with anomnimity, something you will know people do with regularity if you have ever played an online game.

Yep. We should definitely be jailing people for being uncivil or inappropriate.

[Mattshark]

I wish certain people would premeditate their posts more often. Bit of a rubbish argument that.

Just the way I see it, it isn't the same basically.

Yep. We should definitely be jailing people for being uncivil or inappropriate.

Nice quote mining.

[dom9]

Just the way I see it, it isn't the same basically.

Fine in theory. Experience tells me otherwise.

[Mattshark]

Fine in theory. Experience tells me otherwise.

To a degree, but it does to some extent remove the imediacy of speach. You at least have to think about what you are typing.

[baitman]

To a degree, but it does to some extent remove the imediacy of speach. You at least have to think about what you are typing.

very true, but this lad, and plenty more every day, feel that the anonymity from typing on the internet affords them some level of secrecy. it gives them big balls to say brave things
maybe he should just be named, shamed, and fined. jail does seem a little OTT, and its probably due to the associated media feeding frenzy

[Hollowman]

It could really only be considered premeditated if he somehow induced Muamba's cardiac arrest so he could say something offensive to which people could take offence so he could racially insult them.

Frankly, I'm not even sure Nicey would believe something that far-fetched.

He didn't threaten anyone. He didn't encourage anyone else to threaten or abuse anyone. He mocked a seriously ill individual and made a few flippantly racist remarks. And he was jailed for it. Well, a series of footballers have recently established a pattern of behaviour using homophobic language on Twitter. Should we be jailing them too? Should John Terry be jailed for what he said to Ferdinand? Perhaps the FA should have pursued a custodial sentence for Suarez.

If we're staking out the boundaries of free expression by drawing the line at unpopular speech, then our liberties are defined by the whims and moral pantomimes of other internet and social network users.

Forgive me for wanting a little more protection than that.

[Hollowman]

Also, he wasn't anonymous. His Twitter handle was his name.

[ChesterDave]

Out of curiosity, do you know the details of the case?

I found them while searching at home but am now at work. I will link you later tonight when I get back.

[Kenneth]

I post earlier what offences he could have been tried under.
Most likely 2 counts of racial abuse (with incitement).
At least 4 counts of harrasment.
At least 4 public order offecnces.
And possible assault, maybe in this case racially aggrivated assault.

Aditionally he admitted inciting racial hatred.

I've still heard nobody make a rational argument for how calling someone a n****R, or telling some to suck a n****R d**k incites others to hate black people.

It was clearly not harrassement as it was individual responses to people contacting him.

Nor was what he said threatening so aasualt would be extremely unlikely to stick.

It's a perverse interpretation of incitement that clearly goes beyond the intention of the law imo.

And no, people shouldn't be able to use the internet in any way they like, or feel that they can. They shouldn't be allowed to plan terrorist attacks for example. They should be able to fling racist abuse at people though and if people don't want to partake in a medium that enables this, they should use a different site with more censorship and moderation. There is no right not to be insulted on twitter.

[Chazza]

fabrice muamba @fmuamba
Fab wanted me to post this pic for you all and to also say thank you for such overwhelming support. http://pic.twitter.com/t9yeBk7T