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    Liverpool’s Andy Carroll: What Should We Do With A Drunken Geordie?

    A loan move probably isn't the best idea, and I can't imagine he'll be happy with being a back-up. Just what are we going to do with Andy Carroll?



    Andy Carroll is a man who polarises footballing opinion.

    Some Liverpool fans think, given time, he will become a monstrous striker. The sort of player who gives goalkeepers sleepless nights and has centre-backs scrambling for their immodium. He may become a player who can toy with defences, hold them in the palm of his hand and then destroy them. A player who can dominate the air, whose link up play is decent and a left-foot like a panjandrum.

    Those who defend him point to the last couple of months of last season, his time at Newcastle (particularly a performance where he marmalised Arsenal and even had arch-aesthete Wenger purring) and that stunning header against Sweden.

    Others think he is a great pudding of a player; a player with the touch of a landmine and the turning circle of an oil tanker. They point to other performances for Liverpool when he has looked leaden, slow and disjointed. They point to the fact that he looked out of place in a fairly dismal Liverpool team. If he looked out of place last season in an oftentimes toothless Liverpool, they say, imagine how we will look with Rodgers in charge? Asking Carroll to finish the chances Rodgers’ team will create will be like asking Jackson Pollock to finish a Georges Seurat.

    What happens next polarises Liverpool fans too.

    Some think a man who cost £35m should be given more time. Others like the fact that Rodgers, a new man at the helm, has the brass-neck and big-balls to offload a big-name player. It might smack of arrogance on the Ulsterman’s part but then Liverpool fans like that. Some see a zealot; others see a man who is confident in his ideas. Some see a man who is on a doomed mission; others see a man walking through a storm.

    Asking Carroll to finish the chances Rodgers’ team will create will be like asking Jackson Pollock to finish a Georges Seurat.
    Loan madness

    What most agree on, however, is the idea of sending him on loan for a season (especially one rigged in such a way that Liverpool subsidise his salary). *Either use him or lose him but don’t send him to footballing purgatory. Aquilani shows us that way lies madness – forever tantalising the support that he will either return and reign glorious or will, at least, bring in a juicy fee.

    The only possible upside for Liverpool sending him on loan is one littered with downsides. If he has a stellar season his likely transfer fee will rise. Each goal he scores though will be a dagger to the heart of the Liverpool support a little dig at the Rodgers project. If – and it is an if – Rodgers’ team wobbles, and Carroll is banging in the goals, Brendan will look mighty silly doubly so if we are still paying Carroll’s wages.

    If Carroll does do well, regardless of how well Liverpool do under Rodgers, it is likely the manager will be eating hunks of humble pie and may have to find a space for him regardless of system.

    If Carroll, however,*continues to bumble along – sometimes excellent, sometimes woeful – his transfer fee will drop and Liverpool will, once again, kick themselves. They will see a year of subsidising a player’s wages whilst losing value all the time.

    If Carroll has a terrible season the problems of bumbling along are magnified although Rodgers looks like a seer for loaning him out.

    Swansealona and Plan B

    Rodgers is well-known for his ”Swansealona” approach to the game. There is a feeling that an old-style English forward can’t fit in a game based on possession, intricacy and manipulation of space. Rodgers did play with Danny Graham as a forward at Swansea but Graham is a more mobile player than Carroll and, moreover, Rodgers didn’t have either (a) the money to buy a player like Borini (b) have a player of the quality of Suarez to build a team around.

    As it happens, I think Carroll is under-rated with the ball. There were a few times last season when he had his head up and a moment on the ball and he played sweeping passes around the pitch. That doesn’t necessarily mean he can fit into a free-flowing team.

    There is an argument that Carroll should be Liverpool’s Plan B. The theory goes Liverpool can play the fancy stuff, the tiki-taka stuff, all it wants but – presumably on cold wet nights in Stoke – we might need to lump it to a big man.
    A bigger challenge for him to fit into a Rodgers team is his part in an overall pressing game that Rodgers will implement. Liverpool’s other strikers (Borini, Suarez and Bellamy) are all mobile, quick and hyperactive. They will play a crucial part in that pressing game and will help ease the burden on the midfielders. Carroll, for all his strengths, isn’t noted for his work-rate or for his pressing. In Rodgers’ Liverpool the system is all. Carroll may have to be sacrificed for the good of the system.

    There is an argument that Carroll should be Liverpool’s Plan B. The theory goes Liverpool can play the fancy stuff, the tiki-taka stuff, all it wants but – presumably on cold wet nights in Stoke – we might need to lump it to a big man. Others may say he will become an impact sub who with Liverpool drawing 0-0 after 70 minutes, having passed a team into submission, to throw on the matador to knife the bull.

    This is all well and good and a £35 million England international Plan B is one that may be immediately appealing. *However, it wouldn’t be good for Carroll and it probably wouldn’t be good for Liverpool or England. It takes a special sort of manager to convince an international player that the bench is the best place for him.

    So Carroll polarises us. However, it is difficult not to feel sorry for him. It isn’t his fault that Liverpool struggled last season. It isn’t his fault that Dalglish didn’t seem to give him a run of games knackering his confidence. It isn’t his fault that Liverpool paid £35m for him which is an amount that is written in every article (including this one). Poor old Carroll.

    Yet don’t feel too sorry for him. He may have the last word. Players have a history of wreaking revenge on their former clubs.

    This article first appeared on the always excellent*Left Back in the Changing Room
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      Tragic headline for that article.

      Not having a go at you SB!!
      "Its not about the long ball or the short ball, its about the right ball." Bob Paisley

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        Stupid article full stop.
        Oh I don't know.

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          Originally posted by Tee View Post
          Tragic headline for that article.

          Not having a go at you SB!!
          I quite liked the headline even though it is BS I still had a little chuckle.

          Apology accepted Tee.
          Me, I’m either planning a holiday or I’m on one.

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            Originally posted by Pablo1981 View Post
            Newcastle can do one if they thing they can rip us off again. Hold firm LFC, hold firm
            That really depends if we need money to buy, if our budget is as small as some seem to point out, and if Rodgers absolutely doesn't see him in his plans where sitting on the bench will depreciate his value even more.

            I think we are in difficult position and I don't see us holding better cards in this case.
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              Originally posted by Shanks View Post
              Great business from the Geordies here if it comes off...

              They sold Andy Carroll for 35 Mill and with that money they have brought in;
              Cisse, Ba, Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Santon and err... Andy Carroll..
              Shrewd

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                If he doesn't fit into the managers plan for the season then he needs to be sold at any cost, if he's not getting a game it would be better for him as well, £10 million would have to do, after all it's Chelsea's money really because Torres isn't worth £35 mill let alone 50 so we robbed them blind first and then spunked 35 of it on Carroll. So if we get £10 mill back for him the balance from the Torres deal would be £25million, fair price for our ex under performing striker.

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                  Originally posted by Fan65 View Post
                  If he doesn't fit into the managers plan for the season then he needs to be sold at any cost, if he's not getting a game it would be better for him as well, £10 million would have to do, after all it's Chelsea's money really because Torres isn't worth £35 mill let alone 50 so we robbed them blind first and then spunked 35 of it on Carroll. So if we get £10 mill back for him the balance from the Torres deal would be £25million, fair price for our ex under performing striker.
                  Ermmmmm I hate it when people do this - so Torres was signed on a free transfer? Your calculation is completely incorrect.

                  Assuming Torres cost us £20m, the balance is £5million in fact we are into negative figures if you include salary and agent fees. We've been ****ed over by ourselves - simple.
                  My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                    Personally, I think that someone ****ed up with the decimal point. Carroll should have been 3.5million

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                      Originally posted by RoadEnd View Post
                      Personally, I think that someone ****ed up with the decimal point. Carroll should have been 3.5million
                      I still remember the day vividly. It was deadline day and SSN were reporting Liverpool had bid £30M - I thought it was a joke. I was so happy when Newcastle turned the offer down. To my horror, Liverpool then bid and had accepted a £35M offer. I thought the world had gone mad and I was right - the world had gone mad
                      My kebab comes with chilli sauce

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                        Originally posted by RoadEnd View Post
                        Personally, I think that someone ****ed up with the decimal point. Carroll should have been 3.5million
                        My bluenose mate rang me up the day of the deal and said the same thing, wasnt far wrong
                        Last edited by red g; 24-07-12, 05:04 PM.
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                        Weak willed, Wank or do they have a masterplan?

                        Think we have the answer..Slot!!

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                          Originally posted by Fan65 View Post
                          If he doesn't fit into the managers plan for the season then he needs to be sold at any cost, if he's not getting a game it would be better for him as well, £10 million would have to do, after all it's Chelsea's money really because Torres isn't worth £35 mill let alone 50 so we robbed them blind first and then spunked 35 of it on Carroll. So if we get £10 mill back for him the balance from the Torres deal would be £25million, fair price for our ex under performing striker.
                          No simply put, we just spent 35 million quid of our money that we could have spent on any player... on Carroll, that is it

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                            Originally posted by red g View Post
                            My bluenose rang me up the day of the deal and said the same thing, wasnt far wrong
                            One of the most ridiculous pieces of business in the history of the sport, embarrassing!

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                              Liverpool chairman Tom Werner expects a decision will be made on Andy Carroll's future 'shortly'.

                              Brendan Rodgers had appeared to consign Carroll's Anfield career to the wilderness amid interest from the 23-year-old's former club Newcastle United despite a loan offer being rebuffed.

                              The Reds are planning to take a minimum £15million hit on the £35M for the striker, who has been deemed surplus to requirements by his new manager's brand of high-intensity football.

                              And Werner, speaking ahead of Liverpool's showpiece friendly with Roma in Boston tomorrow, insists the final say on Carroll's fate lies continues to lie with Rodgers.

                              "Brendan is clearly the leader here. The only thing I can say is we will do what is best for the club," he told Sky Sports News.

                              "At the moment Andy is on the squad, he is an important member of the England team and he has a lot of talent. We will see what happens."

                              He added: "Hopefully the question will be answered shortly, but at the moment Andy is on the team and we look forward to him contributing."
                              Read more at http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/...w1lEg0zm1HI.99
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                              Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has final decision on Andy Carroll future, insists chairman Tom Werner
                              Liverpool chairman Tom Werner has insisted manager Brendan Rodgers will have the final say on the future of £35 million striker Andy Carroll

                              The 23-year-old England international has been the subject of intense speculation ever since the new Liverpool boss hinted earlier this summer that he might not have a future at Anfield.

                              Carroll's situation remained unclear as he headed for North America to join up with his team-mates in Boston after an extended break following the European Championship, but Werner is adamant that any decision will be down to Rodgers.
                              He said: "The only thing I can say is we will do what's best for the club.

                              "At the moment, Andy is on the squad. He was an important member of the English team, he has got a lot of talent and we will see what happens there.
                              "Brendan is clearly the leader here, and hopefully the question will be answered shortly.

                              "But at the moment, Andy is on the team and we are looking forward to his contributions."
                              Carroll's former club Newcastle have tested the water with a speculative bid to take the player back on loan with a view to completing a permanent transfer next year, prompting Rodgers to rule out a temporary switch to any club with West Ham and Fulham also monitoring the situation.

                              However, while Newcastle's interest is ongoing, it remains to be seen whether or not they are prepared to meet Liverpool's asking price, understood to amount to £20 million.

                              Carroll was signed by former Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish, whose departure at the end of last season opened the door for Rodgers to secure one of the biggest jobs in English football.

                              Werner is delighted with the appointment, and is backing the former Swansea manager to make a significant impact.
                              He said: "I don't think anyone could have been happy with our performance on the pitch last year, no disrespect to Kenny.

                              "I think he is an iconic figure for Liverpool and he will always be appreciated for the stability that he brought to the club.
                              "Brendan brings a very thoughtful, modern, attacking philosophy – I think our fans will be very delighted with the attacking philosophy that he brings to Liverpool – and hopefully we will see improvement."

                              However, Werner revealed that the spectacular spending which characterised Dalglish's reign is a thing of the past.

                              He said: "This is a very financially strong organisation, LFC.
                              We, in the past, I believe – not just in the previous season, but in the past – we have overspent for players and the results were not what we have expected.

                              "We do have the resources to be competitive, but at the same time, we are going to operate in a way that will be a self-sustaining model.
                              "I think you will see that you don't necessarily have to go out and spend £50 million on one player to see success."
                              Last edited by Bender; 24-07-12, 05:59 PM.

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                                torres was only worth a bag of spuds and a small tin of carrotts, carroll cost a leg of lamb, but was only worth a pound of pork sausages. if we now sell carroll for a box of tetley tea bags, we are still up a bag of sugar on the deal...

                                removing all the weak links makes us stronger

                                too many gutless players, no beef or desire. pussies everywhere... sack them all.

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