Andy Carroll

[Pablo]

If Andy Carroll was the top scorer in the prem last season, would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

What a bizarre statement

If Andy Carroll played like Messi would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

[Shanks]

Andy Carroll wasn't the top scorer in the league last season.

Obviously... but if he was, would he still look to ship him out..?

I just dont think Rodgers really rates him as a player..Nothing to do with his "New System"..

[Vermilion]

What a bizarre statement

If Andy Carroll played like Messi would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

Interseting point though, had AC been top scorer, would BR still be loooking to ship him out because he doesn't fit his 'system/style'.

[Kenneth]

To me, this sums the entire situation up - but there is the worry that if we don't start the season on fire, some fans will turn on Rodgers. A quick glance at RAWK and this is already beginning.

Thing is, I don't really get why Carroll is being built up to be something he is not. He never really did the business for us and personally I think we played our best football when he was injured. The lad found it really hard to adapt to Dalglish' system (whatever that was) and his skill set is totally at odds with what a Rodgers team seems to require. We all know that Carroll's main weakness seem to be his movement and that is precisely the attribute that is fundamental to a pass and move team. It was also really frustrating when he might make a decent lay off 30 yards or so from goal and then just jog towards the 18 yard box - he never really seemed to have that hunger or desperation to get himself in the box and grab a goal. Goals such as the hat-trick that Kuyt scored against United would never be scored by Carroll as he simply wouldn't have the anticipation to be in the right place at the right time. So it's not as if he had some kind of predatory instinct that might mitigate his lack of movement or contribution to the build-up play. I just can't see him being anything other than totally lost in a Rodgers team.

Also the idea that he should be some sort of Plan B doesn't really do us - or him - any favours at all. Plan Bs are Plan Bs for a reason and we need to concentrate on establishing and improving a Plan A first. The team needs to be built around players such as Lucas and Suarez, and these are players who would probably never give the correct type of supply that Carroll would need. I think it is totally unfair on the lad to expect him to accept staying on the bench until the last 20 mins or so when winning teams are defending their 18 yard box and only then give him any game time. Also, from looking over various forums, it seems that Swansea had such faith in their system that they would stick with it right until the end and not play long balls into the opponents box. So would he get any game time even then?

I think we need to back Rodgers' judgement and have faith in his plans for us on this one - otherwise why on earth did we hire him - and I think this decision will actually benefit both Andy and ourselves. Personally I haven't felt this optimistic about a new manager since Rafa first joined so I am totally behind the manager's judgement on this one.

Sorry for such a long post!

Bang on mate. When people start turning on the manager and club over the possibiility of selling an average striker, well you know you're listening to a bunch of dicks.

[red g]

Interseting point though, had AC been top scorer, would BR still be loooking to ship him out because he doesn't fit his 'system/style'.

Yers but if he was top scorer he may look to accomodate him or play to his strengths more.

From where it stands now we have had the odd flash of brilliance and stand out game and he has shown nothing to think he could sustain that.

I don;t think he is worth the gamble to come good.

[dom9]

If Andy Carroll was the top scorer in the prem last season, would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

?

Well, he was nowhere near that.

[Vermilion]

Bang on mate. When people start turning on the manager and club over the possibiility of selling an average striker, well you know you're listening to a bunch of dicks.

Ahhhh, so it's blind faith people should show based on a man being manager of their club ?

[Muddled]

because we want to sell him. Does it matter?

Well, it makes us look a little desperate. It's a risky strategy, we either get a load of clubs going for him and a bidding war starts, or a handful of clubs play hardball thinking we we'll cave at a low fee and the negotiations drag on.

We?

We as in LFC. Seriously Dom? Like, seriously?

[Shanks]

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Well, he was nowhere near that.

IF....

Would Rodgers look to change his new style to fit around Carroll..

I can't understand his decision to let him go, based purely on the fact that he doesn't fit this new style of football he wants to bring in..

Would his decision have been different if Carroll was banging them in for fun last season..

From what people have said, Newcastle played their whole game around him when he was there and I'm not sure how they could do that now, as they play a more free flowing style under Pardew..

[red g]

IF....

Would Rodgers look to change his new style to fit around Carroll..

I can't understand his decision to let him go, based purely on the fact that he doesn't fit this new style of football he wants to bring in..

Would his decision have been different if Carroll was banging them in for fun last season..

From what people have said, Newcastle played their whole game around him when he was there and I'm not sure how they could do that now, as they play a more free flowing style under Pardew..

I would find it stranger for a coach to rip up 20 years of his methods in the way he believes playing football to accomodate one player, unless its messi

[Pablo]

Interseting point though, had AC been top scorer, would BR still be loooking to ship him out because he doesn't fit his 'system/style'.

Yeah if he'd banged in 31 Premier League goals last season I think it's fair to say Rodger's wouldn't be looking to offload him. He's not insane .

But he didn't, he got 4. FOUR.

[dom9]

Well, it makes us look a little desperate. It's a risky strategy, we either get a load of clubs going for him and a bidding war starts, or a handful of clubs play hardball thinking we we'll cave at a low fee and the negotiations drag on.



We as in LFC. Seriously Dom? Like, seriously?

Yes I understand that. So LFC are leaking these stories rather than Newcastle or Carroll's people. You think that?

IF....

Would Rodgers look to change his new style to fit around Carroll..

I can't understand his decision to let him go, based purely on the fact that he doesn't fit this new style of football he wants to bring in..

Would his decision have been different if Carroll was banging them in for fun last season..

From what people have said, Newcastle played their whole game around him when he was there and I'm not sure how they could do that now, as they play a more free flowing style under Pardew..

Well, Rodgers will not change his style for Carroll. That is clear.

What is also clear in my mind is that Carroll's style will never get him to the top of the goalscoring charts. Middle, yes. Top no. Sacrificing your principles to accomodate that is not really an option.

[Pablo]

What a bizarre statement

If Andy Carroll played like Messi would Rodgers still be looking to get rid?

I would find it stranger for a coach to rip up 20 years of his methods in the way he believes playing football to accomodate one player, unless its messi

All this talk of Messi is getting me excited. There's no smoke without fire!

[baronvonskidmark]

Would his decision have been different if Carroll was banging them in for fun last season..

But the thing is - well at least it seems to me - is that if Carroll had been banging them in for fun last season under Kenny's system, then he would probably have needed to be an entirely different kind of striker to what he actually is. And perhaps then, that might well be a type of striker that fits Rodgers' system.

Personally, Carroll's skill set seems at odds with the requirements that Rodgers' style of play demands. So, to put it simplistically, we really need to build a team around Rodgers ideas or Carroll's style of play - but not both, as that would seem unfair on the pair of them.

[Lee]

All this talk of Messi is getting me excited. There's no smoke without fire!

Keep it under your hat son. Don't want this info getting into the wrong hands.