Andy Carroll

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It could be handy to have a plan B as well. It`s not going be as easy as vs Gomel in the PL. having a strong man available isn`t a bad idea. Espesially as it doesn`t look like we`re getting very much by selling him.

I don't think he would respond to being just a plan B though.

I suppose at least we would be up there with the Manchester clubs having a 30million-ish striker as a plan B.

But seriously I just don't think he would be interested or put the effort required to be a back up squad player and to be honest I am not sure Brendan sees us having to resort to a plan B either. I really dont see us r bringing on Carra and Carroll in the last twenty minutes for us to play hoofball anytime soon

[Resu]

But he is too limited and it is a lot of money on wages etc for what he can offer. His value is only going to go down by staying with us.

If we sell him now we`ll probably get his true value, not the crazy money we paid. To replace him with a similar type of player, both in style and quality we`d probably have to spend the money we got from him. there is probably money to be saved on wages, but not a huge amount after we paid him off.
So if you want a big man as a plan B I`d just as well keep him.
If Rodgers doesn`t have a plan B including a big man I agree, sell.

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But he is too limited and it is a lot of money on wages etc for what he can offer. His value is only going to go down by staying with us.

Newcastle are going to get him for a pittance at Christmas, if he doesn't go this window

[Mattshark]

If we sell him now we`ll probably get his true value, not the crazy money we paid. To replace him with a similar type of player, both in style and quality we`d probably have to spend the money we got from him. there is probably money to be saved on wages, but not a huge amount after we paid him off.
So if you want a big man as a plan B I`d just as well keep him.
If Rodgers doesn`t have a plan B including a big man I agree, sell.

Considering how poor Carroll is at coming off the bench or playing irregularly he is an absolutely awful choice for a plan b.
We will never get close the amount we paid for him we over paid by nearly £30m for him, but to get a player of better quality won't be hard, Carroll is a very average and highly limited player.

[Resu]

I don't think he would respond to being just a plan B though.

I suppose at least we would be up there with the Manchester clubs having a 30million-ish striker as a plan B.

But seriously I just don't think he would be interested or put the effort required to be a back up squad player and to be honest I am not sure Brendan sees us having to resort to a plan B either. I really dont see us r bringing on Carra and Carroll in the last twenty minutes for us to play hoofball anytime soon

But a plan B doesn`t have to be used at the end of games only. It is not like we have loads of players that can do what Suarez and Gerrard can do. What do we do when one or both of these are out? Hope that Downing, Cole, Adam etc to find ways against a team that have parked the bus?
We are not Barca, that can outplay almost any team.

[Mattshark]

But a plan B doesn`t have to be used at the end of games only. It is not like we have loads of players that can do what Suarez and Gerrard can do. What do we do when one or both of these are out? Hope that Downing, Cole, Adam etc to find ways against a team that have parked the bus?
We are not Barca, that can outplay almost any team.

That is true, but teams who resort to playing a flat back ten are usually not the most susceptible to a static big man and constant crosses , they tend to be most comfortable with that. Better teams will be more susceptible to players running in behind. Carroll is suited to teams who are happy to play long balls every game imo.

[Resu]

That is true, but teams who resort to playing a flat back ten are usually not the most susceptible to a static big man and constant crosses. Better teams will be more susceptible to players running in behind. Carroll is suited to teams who are happy to play long balls every game imo.

I agree that it`s not a good idea to start with Carrol against these teams if everbody else is fit. But there will be loads of games during a season where one of the first choice attackers are unavailable. Letting Carroll start doesn`t necesseraly mean that you change your entire way of playing.

[Mattshark]

I agree that it`s not a good idea to start with Carrol against these teams if everbody else is fit. But there will be loads of games during a season where one of the first choice attackers are unavailable. Letting Carroll start doesn`t necesseraly mean that you change your entire way of playing.

If we don't we may as well play with 10 men though as Carroll's movement and positioning is awful and he is technically very poor.

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If we don't we may as well play with 10 men though as Carroll's movement and positioning is awful and he is technically very poor.

I remember before we bought him they did a highlights package on Carroll on how good is movement and positioning was. I think his movement in dragging defenders away is very good, his movement and positioning for goalscoring opportunities is piss poor which is not great for a striker

[Resu]

In the build up would maybe be like playing with 10 men, but as soon as we starting getting closer to the box he`ll have an effect. Players like always draws defenders to him, opening rooms for others.
Having said all this I`d not be very worried if he left, but I think there is use for at the club if Rodgers wants have this kind of plan B.

[peekay]

It could be handy to have a plan B as well. It`s not going be as easy as vs Gomel in the PL. having a strong man available isn`t a bad idea. Espesially as it doesn`t look like we`re getting very much by selling him.

I think Pongolle/Babel type players coming of the bench will be a more effective plan B in Rodgers system than Carroll.

[Angryred]

Guys,

Why restrict ourselves to just one way of playing?

I think you find it that Scum can mix it up most of the time to enable them to get a goal from somewhere so did the Liverpool teams in the late 70's & early 80's.

It's all about making the most of the best resources available to you!

Surely Brendan can see that, so have a plan A by all means & if that's not paying off, revert to mixing it up causing panic in the opposition defences by coming at them in all angles!

[dom9]

Considering how poor Carroll is at coming off the bench or playing irregularly he is an absolutely awful choice for a plan b.
We will never get close the amount we paid for him we over paid by nearly £30m for him, but to get a player of better quality won't be hard, Carroll is a very average and highly limited player.

He was very poor off the bench at wembley wasn't he....

[Mattshark]

He was very poor off the bench at wembley wasn't he....

Rarity, over the season he was absolutely awful and far below the quality we need, should never have been signed by the club.

[Mattshark]

Guys,

Why restrict ourselves to just one way of playing?

I think you find it that Scum can mix it up most of the time to enable them to get a goal from somewhere so did the Liverpool teams in the late 70's & early 80's.

It's all about making the most of the best resources available to you!

Surely Brendan can see that, so have a plan A by all means & if that's not paying off, revert to mixing it up causing panic in the opposition defences by coming at them in all angles!

Because the play that suits Carroll also suits teams who defend deep with a lot of men back, it is a very limited way of playing and Carroll simply isn't good enough at to be worth keeping around.