Gaston Ramirez

[Shaggy]

my thoughts exactly. Dempsey maybe 29 but there is 3 good years or more left in his legs, if he can grab 15 to 20 goals each season, that could be the difference between 4, 5 or 6 place.

To be fair he's only done that once or twice in his PL career. 12 goals and 17 goals, I think. That's it.

I'm not interested in Dempsey. Mr M's post about Ramirez/Dempsey is absolutely fair, but I'd rather go for Ramirez who is young, has loads of potential with the scope for great improvement, would fit our system better (IMO) and will help keep our greatest asset happy.

Unfortunately it seems we're absolutely not interested in Ramirez.

[Reece]

which is more than what Caroll can do....

You have clearly forgotten his FA Cup final goal

[tsb]

Just because his agent is in London doesn't mean it's a London club, Spurs for example are in the States with ourselves

Maybe his agent is in London because his client is playing in the Olympics.

[Pablo]

Maybe his agent is in London because his client is playing in the Olympics.

So his agent follows him to every away game? How sweet

[MrMichael]

To be fair he's only done that once or twice in his PL career. 12 goals and 17 goals, I think. That's it.

I'm not interested in Dempsey. Mr M's post about Ramirez/Dempsey is absolutely fair, but I'd rather go for Ramirez who is young, has loads of potential with the scope for great improvement, would fit our system better (IMO) and will help keep our greatest asset happy.

Unfortunately it seems we're absolutely not interested in Ramirez.

Given that Dempsey only started playing pro in 2004 you could argue that he's only just hitting his peak now... so potentially one could expect his current scoring rate to continue for a good few seasons. His career record isn't far off 1 in 3, he almost never gets injured, and we seriously lack goals coming out of midfield. This isn't really the thread, and as I said, I'm not a massive fan of him, but I could totally see the sense in signing him.

As for Ramirez, well if his name was Gary Ramsey and he played for Millwall everyone on here would be going ballistic at the potential fees being quoted. Not saying he's not got potential, but almost everyone's acting like he's a world beater basically just because of his nationality. While a couple of people who've seen him on here like Mostar rate him, there's comments from people like Tim Vickery (who does know his stuff usually) who are a lot less sure. Personally I've seen absolutely nothing that says he's not just this year's Quaresma or Joaquin. For £10m I'd say fine, your points about his age etc are perfectly valid. But getting towards double that or even more, I'm much MUCH more dubious.

Its all immaterial anyway, just like you I also don't believe we're in for him at all.

[Shaggy]

Yep agree - the mooted fee for Gaston is too much. £10m and I'd want us all over it - at £18m ish then it's too much. I've only seen him play for a total of about 90 minutes.

To be fair there are some South American football commentators - English and Uruguayan - who rate him very highly. And Vickery told us Gonzalez would tear it up.

[tsb]

So his agent follows him to every away game? How sweet

C'mon man, it's the Olympics (tm), not some cold Tuesday night away to Stoke.

[baitman]

the free kick goal was good, but did he do anything else to give us any hope...

[colin85]

Yes, he's the second coming of David Beckham.

[kev776]

To be fair he's only done that once or twice in his PL career. 12 goals and 17 goals, I think. That's it.

I'm not interested in Dempsey. Mr M's post about Ramirez/Dempsey is absolutely fair, but I'd rather go for Ramirez who is young, has loads of potential with the scope for great improvement, would fit our system better (IMO) and will help keep our greatest asset happy.

Unfortunately it seems we're absolutely not interested in Ramirez.

Valid points Shaggster but don't you think there is only so many we can sign with potential, sometimes we have to buy for "now".

[baitman]

Valid points Shaggster but don't you think there is only so many we can sign with potential, sometimes we have to buy for "now".

ahh, tfft,
i thought i was the only one who was wondering what we were going to do while we wait for this "potential" to materialise, develop, or whatever other excuse gets trotted out

[powerpack]

So his agent follows him to every away game? How sweet

didn't he play at Old Toilet yesterday?

[Shaggy]

Valid points Shaggster but don't you think there is only so many we can sign with potential, sometimes we have to buy for "now".

Yeah I get that mate.

[cannotmakeit]

You have clearly forgotten his FA Cup final goal

oh that, after a year with us and against Terry

[Corndog]

Ramirez is cannot be worth anything more than 11 mil, what has he done to suggest otherwise?

I will be seriously disappointed if he was signed for 15mil plus as i think he could just as easily flop, the italian league isn't what it used to be.

He is also best as an attacking midfielder right? we have aquilani,gerrard,hendo,shelvey who can play there.

I'd prefer it we targeted somebody who plays as a wide-forward as their 1st position rather than a player who 'can play there'

I don't think Gaston Ramirez is a Rodgers target though, having said this i would much prefer him to Dempsey due to age and potential.