Newcastle United

[danperkins]

I don't think these types of owners would be in for a club like us. Look at the clubs that have been taken over by these types of owners: Newcastle, Man City and Chelsea. When they were bought the closest to being successful was Chelsea who had won a couple of FA Cups and the Cup Winners Cup in the 90's IIRC. Aside from that it was 50 years since they had any real success. City's previous successes were in the 60's, similar story for Newcastle. These owners come in and want to make their mark, they can do this turning a club that hardly ever won anything into a powerhouse of the league, they will be the person/people who 'made' Man City or Newcastle or Chelsea. The fans will of course be universally grateful.

Clubs like ourselves, Man Utd or Arsenal who have had eras of dominance in the league aren't as attractive as we've done it before, they might be able to turn recent fortunes around and get them back to where they were but there is no opportunity to scale new heights and the fans won't be as grateful as they have seen league wins or CL wins before.

[Mark79]

I don't think these types of owners would be in for a club like us. Look at the clubs that have been taken over by these types of owners: Newcastle, Man City and Chelsea. When they were bought the closest to being successful was Chelsea who had won a couple of FA Cups and the Cup Winners Cup in the 90's IIRC. Aside from that it was 50 years since they had any real success. City's previous successes were in the 60's, similar story for Newcastle. These owners come in and want to make their mark, they can do this turning a club that hardly ever won anything into a powerhouse of the league, they will be the person/people who 'made' Man City or Newcastle or Chelsea. The fans will of course be universally grateful.

Clubs like ourselves, Man Utd or Arsenal who have had eras of dominance in the league aren't as attractive as we've done it before, they might be able to turn recent fortunes around and get them back to where they were but there is no opportunity to scale new heights and the fans won't be as grateful as they have seen league wins or CL wins before.

These types of owners have attempted to buy Liverpool before though.
Sheikh Mansour apparently tried for Liverpool before City. There were also numerous Staveley led DIC attempts (not sure if any of these included Mansour or that was separate). Also reports of interest form a state backed Chinese consortium and Mansour’s cousin in recent years.

None of them were concerned about the club already having had a era of dominance. They’re in it to improve their own reputation by piggy backing on a that of a popular institution’s. Not simply to make themselves popular within a fan base. The more global that institution’s appeal already is the better, as far they’re concerned.

[Paul12]

Their sovereign wealth fund is supposed to make City’s owners look like paupers.....just what we need

https://twitter.com/mobyhaque1/statu...28803469533184

Is this right? Why aren't these sides doing better than they are?

I hope (against hope I suspect) that Newcastle proceed with class.

1 It is pointless buying a £50m player when there squad is poor as it currently is - it would be like embedding a diamond in a turd.
2 Having loads of money does not make its mis-use any more acceptable, so don't just buy the whole shop. Build and pick appropriate players. Keep away from managers that have no track record of improving players.
3 And don't beat Liverpool!

Seriously, their objective for this year should be buying in the transfer windown three decent players so that they stay up without any last minute worries. Then in the summer they should look to add three or four better than decent players and aim for top half next season, Europe the season after and top four the season after that. I don't think such a plan being attractive to Kane (he wants to win trophies by joining a club that is already winning trophies!). Nor Mo (he is already a messiah and doesn't need to go and be a messiah again; he'll want a 'pinnacle of everyone's career' type of club). I also supect Gerrard might be too risky an appointment, bearing in mind they need to build a team and makegood purchases and Gerrard has little experience of that. I'd love it if they decided to do it with a British manager (I can see Brenda being interested if the offer comes towards/at the end of this season, and I can see him doing a good job too for a few years), and I think some of the foreign names mentioned (Conte, Mourinho, Zidane would be awful appointments).

[brightred]

Is this right? Why aren't these sides doing better than they are?

I hope (against hope I suspect) that Newcastle proceed with class.

1 It is pointless buying a £50m player when there squad is poor as it currently is - it would be like embedding a diamond in a turd.
2 Having loads of money does not make its mis-use any more acceptable, so don't just buy the whole shop. Build and pick appropriate players. Keep away from managers that have no track record of improving players.
3 And don't beat Liverpool!

Seriously, their objective for this year should be buying in the transfer windown three decent players so that they stay up without any last minute worries. Then in the summer they should look to add three or four better than decent players and aim for top half next season, Europe the season after and top four the season after that. I don't think such a plan being attractive to Kane (he wants to win trophies by joining a club that is already winning trophies!). Nor Mo (he is already a messiah and doesn't need to go and be a messiah again; he'll want a 'pinnacle of everyone's career' type of club). I also supect Gerrard might be too risky an appointment, bearing in mind they need to build a team and makegood purchases and Gerrard has little experience of that. I'd love it if they decided to do it with a British manager (I can see Brenda being interested if the offer comes towards/at the end of this season, and I can see him doing a good job too for a few years), and I think some of the foreign names mentioned (Conte, Mourinho, Zidane would be awful appointments).

You sound like a Newcastle supporter! Well thought out plan there Paul!

[Charly]

Newcastle cant spend more that they make. Welathy owners cant change that, although they can invest more on revenue generators. That will obvously take a few seasons before it has a huge effect.

I imagine there will be City style creative accounting to account for any spending spree in the mean time.

[fidget]

They can incur losses of £35m a year without breaking FFP over the next 3 year FFP period.
So they can spend £105m +£38m profit from the last 3 year FFP + adjustments for the academy etc of about £50m.
So that's over £190m to start with before you get any "creative" investment.
Plus if they do break FFP it's not like it even matters anyway.

[S-RED]

Newcastle cant spend more that they make. Welathy owners cant change that, although they can invest more on revenue generators. That will obvously take a few seasons before it has a huge effect.

I imagine there will be City style creative accounting to account for any spending spree in the mean time.

They can incur losses of £35m a year without breaking FFP over the next 3 year FFP period.
So they can spend £105m +£38m profit from the last 3 year FFP + adjustments for the academy etc of about £50m.
So that's over £190m to start with before you get any "creative" investment.
Plus if they do break FFP it's not like it even matters anyway.

yeah they can start with 190mill, sponsor the ground at an extortionate rate from one of their companies; add in they can build a training complex & off set all the cost against FFP.

There are so many quick ways they could spend north of 300 mill & not be investigated.

TBH, i don't think they will go that way for at least this season & next, although Coutinho style signings may appear, nothing top status unless a a player wants a final pay day. For sure they are no longer signing Matt Ritchie's, but for 18 months will be competing against Everton for that kind of player.

[Norbs]

They can incur losses of £35m a year without breaking FFP over the next 3 year FFP period.
So they can spend £105m +£38m profit from the last 3 year FFP + adjustments for the academy etc of about £50m.
So that's over £190m to start with before you get any "creative" investment.
Plus if they do break FFP it's not like it even matters anyway.

Especially the last bit

[ChesterDave]

Saw on Twitter than a newspaper (didn't pay attention which) claims Tarkowski will be their first signing. A slow start to the megastar era...

[red g]

No Surprise but a few reports saying Bruce will be sacked this week with a nice 8 million pay off.

[labourRed]

Saw on Twitter than a newspaper (didn't pay attention which) claims Tarkowski will be their first signing. A slow start to the megastar era...

I wouldn't snear at solid signings like that. They'll need to build it bit by but as they did at City. Buying premiership experience is also a good strategy.

[Charly]

You sure its 35m per year , and not 35 over 3 years? That seems high.

[Exiled_red]

Saw on Twitter than a newspaper (didn't pay attention which) claims Tarkowski will be their first signing. A slow start to the megastar era...

I saw something similar that said their first 3 signings would be Tarkowski, Lingard and Koulibaly. But I assumed it was all BS as presumably it's fat too early to know anything about transfers.

I agree with LabourRed they need players with PL experience who can get them up the table, where did they finish last year 12th? It's a fairly big step up from there to making top 4 for CL qualification which is presumably the first big milestone

[Paul12]

Saw on Twitter than a newspaper (didn't pay attention which) claims Tarkowski will be their first signing. A slow start to the megastar era...

That would be bye bye Burnley, so here are going to be some upsides to this!

[Kenneth]

Cutting

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2021/oct/12/david-squires-on-newcastle-united-saudi-takeover