General Football 23/24

[Maxiedge]

i think it was off, even on the broadcast images. The amount of time between contact with ball and the captured image above would be milliseconds and make very little different to Kane's position.

But the issue for me is that essentially, what happened was that VAR was used to overturn a correct offside decision, not an "obvious error". No VAR and the ref stops play as soon as the assistant waves it offside, but because of VAR the ref is instructed to allow play to continue to conclusion. When the VAR look at it they should be asked whether the offside decision was a clear and obvious error, which is certainly wasn't, as you say, super fine margins however you view the pics/video, and the defending team should have a FK. But there is no way of going back to that decision because the ref didn't make the decision, because they're not allowed to. So the VAR ref is making a simple assessment, was it offside or not, which is not his job. Was there an obvious error by the officials is his job, and the only error was the ref not blowing for offside, and VAR caused that.

Did he flag for offside instantly or was it only after the incident? If he flagged for offside instantly, then yeah, that's bang out of order and they should have given the decision Chelsea's way. If you see a flag up in the air by the linesman then everyone stops. That's the way it's always been.

[Kenneth]

I couldn't see the linesman in the shot on replays. Sari reckoned it was flagged at the time, but can't be 100%. Obviously, if not then most of my post above is BS.

[Exiled_red]

When the officials are using VAR does the system generate the line across the screen like sky do? Because that effectively makes the referee's mind up for him but how accurately is that determined?

Also whatever system is used there has to be an error associated with it I have no idea if it is significant. I said previously about this that the system for me works better if there is a "assistant's call" decision like cricket has for LBW. If the call has to be reviewed it is on the principle that you look at the frames and if decision is clearly wrong it can be changed. If it is like this where they look level but we are debating whether the striker's big toe or forehead are perhaps slightly beyond the defender or not, you still with the official's call. Because otherwise it's crazy

[Liverpool]

[ame]http://twitter.com/BeanymanSports/status/1082768971571625984[/ame]

[Red_Polo]

Lino was spot on with his decision, why did VAR not have access to this angle ?

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11602389/chelsea-reveal-different-angle-on-harry-kane-var-offside-call-in-tottenhams-carabao-cup-win

https://e0.365dm.com/19/01/768x432/s...20190108225549

Very tight call, quite possibly off, but the line on this picture is toilet because it's ground level and we're trying to assess head position.

[labourRed]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/09/benjamin-pavard-bayern-munich-join-summer

Pavard to Bayern for 30m. He's a cracking player and would have fit us like a glove.

[Slinky Skills]

Eden Pavard

[rodo]

Rio Ferdinand going down a storm with newcastle fans

[Fuzzy]

Rio Ferdinand going down a storm with newcastle fans

Luckily there's Richard "Richard Keys" Keys to the rescue.

[ame]https://twitter.com/richardajkeys/status/1084390897586974720[/ame]

[Fivex]

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[The_weatherman]

Keys has totally lost it, just bonkers.

[dom9]

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[McDermotX]

From F365

Rio Ferdinand
There is nothing wrong with being wrong. Live television is hard, and pundits will make mistakes. Too often we (and I’m guilty of it) lambast them for a memorable gaff from the comfort of our own sofas. Errors happen when you’re under pressure to provide insight.

But there is a difference between getting it wrong and remaining wilfully blind to the truth even after being told. It gives the impression that you have a vested interest in your opinion, and that it might not be a perfect reflection of your true thoughts.

On Sunday morning, Rio Ferdinand tweeted a sarcastic ‘good morning’ message to Newcastle united supporters. ‘Ya clubs turning a profit, no debt, oh & playing in the PL!’ he said. ‘Terrible!’.

Let’s take that step by step. Firstly, Newcastle United are not debt-free. Their latest accounts indicated that they are in debt to the tune of £144m. That debt is owed to Mike Ashley.

Ferdinand’s claim on Saturday afternoon that Ashley put his own money into the club is also wrong. In actual fact Newcastle spent £63m on new players in that season, but raised far more than that in player sales. They used money that the club generated.

This is important because of what happened this summer, when Ashley publicly promised that Rafael Benitez would have “every penny” the club generated to spend on his team. In actual fact, Ashley took £10m out of the club and Newcastle made a profit on transfers thanks to the sales of Aleksandar Mitrovic, Mikel Merino and Chancel Mbemba.

It is those broken promises – time and time and time again – that anger Newcastle United supporters the most, because it proves both that Ashley is a liar with no interest in allowing the club to achieve anything near its full potential and that Benitez is being treated appallingly by his boss.

Finally, Ferdinand labelled Newcastle as a yo-yo club. That’s partly true. They have been relegated twice since 2009, the same as Norwich City. But then they have also only been relegated twice in the Premier League’s history, the same as Manchester City. Those relegations coincide with Ashley’s ownership and the toxic atmosphere he has since created. If Newcastle are indeed a yo-yo club as Ferdinand suggests, it is because of the owner’s wanton neglect.

For Ferdinand to suggest that Newcastle United supporters should be thankful to Ashley and cheer rather than castigate him demonstrates either that he has allowed his opinions to be shaped by his business interests (Sports Direct are the exclusive retail outlet of Ferdinand’s clothing brand) or that he is entirely out of touch with football supporters. Neither is a good look.

[Norbs]

It a going to be the former innit

[Cormack74]

I wonder if he was actually asked to comment? Wouldn't surprise me.