General Football 23/24

[ChesterDave]

I still think the money aspect will force it to complete. They might knock off a few matches at the end if it won't affect relegation of European qualification - mid table nothing battles or if a team was too far adrift and had to play us or City they don't need to play it.

[Yozza]

Eredivisie: Dutch top flight likely to be cancelled after major events ban extended

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52376543

The Dutch Football Association “intends not to continue” the Eredivisie season after the national government extended a ban on major events until 1 September because of coronavirus.

Ajax and AZ Alkmaar are leading the Dutch top flight level on points after 26 games, with Ajax ahead on goal difference.

[Charly]

they are going to void the prem, aren't they?

No, because none of the clubs could afford to lose the tv money, and possibly sponsorship and prize money.

I doubr the dutch league is so dependent on tv money.

Still dont undetstand the point of ending the season incompkete and starting another one, which could get cancelled. The game would lose interest and integrity. Nobody is going to put the effort in on and off the pitch.

[ChesterDave]

Its madness to rush to start the new season. One player comes down as symptomatic and the whole squad is likely to need to isolate due to the close proximity of the training sessions. That will delay that season and risk its completion too. Make this the 20019/2021 if needed and start 'next' season in 2021 running to Qatar.

[ChesterDave]

Listening to Ian Wright on this Match of the Day Bonkers Moments.

Hope its the last time he is ever on TV. Man is a nobhead.

[dom9]

Sort of on topic.

An iconic football stadium quiz.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52394131

Try and ignore the clues as they often give the answer away without needing the picture.

11/11

[kingfunk]

French league’s cancelled...

[Cormack74]

Sort of on topic.

An iconic football stadium quiz.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52394131

Try and ignore the clues as they often give the answer away without needing the picture.

11/11

Yeah 11/11 too.

The clues ruined it, not sure what the point was TBH.

[Fosterbloke]

French league’s cancelled...

Except it's not.

[Corndog]

Question for all of those fans who saw the teams of the 70s and 80s.

As I wasn’t alive to see these teams, it’s been really interesting to watch some of their games (many on tv now because no new sport).

One thing that struck me was just how much quicker and more technical the average prem player has become. I’d love to see what would happen if you even chucked an average player from a more recent era into those games e.g a Wayne routledge.

Of course there are still those players who were very quick and technically gifted and had they played in this era with better pitches and better sports science knowledge they’d probably tear it up e.g Beardsley - who by the way, could not look less of an athlete until you see him on the ball.

But there’s also the likes of Steve Nicol, I can understand why he was thought of as good in his era but there’s no way he’d make it in today’s game at the top level, he just wouldn’t be technically strong enough. Half the time it looked as though he was going to fall over But somehow didn’t. There’s also the fact that you really clearly see that that definition of a right back and the decision making he should make is just totally different.

Which begs the question, how relevant is their insight and analysis on today’s game?

I last watched a game in the 80s and of the LFC team, the players that really stood out to me were Barnes, Beardsley, Haughton, McMahon. Rush wasn’t playing that game but him as well. Those players would make it in today’s game imo but the rest I’m not sure. Alan Hansen was a rake but I suppose he could bulk up. in the other games i saw Souness, Dalglish and Molby stood out.

The massive caveat here is I’ve only seen about 3-4 full games so maybe players were having very good or very bad individual days.

hence why I’d like to know the thoughts of fans who lived through the era and saw the team. Am i being too harsh? Who do you think would make it in today’s game? Is it just impossible to compare eras?

[Exiled_red]

I was born in the early 80's and supposedly got into football and LFC in the mid 80's, I remember as a kid my favourite players of the late 80's Barnes, Aldridge, Beardsley so ca 1987-88 and the cup finals and league titles around that time (and of course Hillsborough). I can't remember much about the football other than it was better than what other teams played at the time, looking back I was somewhat spoiled as that team would have been (until this season) undisputedly the best LFC side.

Obviously the game was alot simpler less tactical and more physical. I was reading an article last week about England Argentina in 1986 https://www.theguardian.com/football...a-at-mexico-86 Which I found the comments about the way Maradona played in Italy and the way the game changed when Barnes was brought on, rather interesting as in insight into football at that time.

It's only when you look back now that you realise what an effect the back pass rule had on the game, to a certain extent it was much easier to kill time and give players a rest when the keeper could pick up backpasses, just the removal of that rule has probably significantly increased the amount of football played in a match and the fitness required.

Again the physical nature of the game back then was very different, if you look at the amount of kickings that players like Maradona and Barnes took you can see that it is a very different game now, the removal of that physical nature has allowed players to become more skillful. I think the game was such that you probably couldn't get by just by being an athlete or skillful player because you had to have the mentality to have lumps kicked out of you week after week and still come back for more. I wonder how many skillful players didn't make it in that era because they couldn't handle the physical nature of the game

[Corndog]

I was born in the early 80's and supposedly got into football and LFC in the mid 80's, I remember as a kid my favourite players of the late 80's Barnes, Aldridge, Beardsley so ca 1987-88 and the cup finals and league titles around that time (and of course Hillsborough). I can't remember much about the football other than it was better than what other teams played at the time, looking back I was somewhat spoiled as that team would have been (until this season) undisputedly the best LFC side.

Obviously the game was alot simpler less tactical and more physical. I was reading an article last week about England Argentina in 1986 https://www.theguardian.com/football...a-at-mexico-86 Which I found the comments about the way Maradona played in Italy and the way the game changed when Barnes was brought on, rather interesting as in insight into football at that time.

It's only when you look back now that you realise what an effect the back pass rule had on the game, to a certain extent it was much easier to kill time and give players a rest when the keeper could pick up backpasses, just the removal of that rule has probably significantly increased the amount of football played in a match and the fitness required.

Again the physical nature of the game back then was very different, if you look at the amount of kickings that players like Maradona and Barnes took you can see that it is a very different game now, the removal of that physical nature has allowed players to become more skillful. I think the game was such that you probably couldn't get by just by being an athlete or skillful player because you had to have the mentality to have lumps kicked out of you week after week and still come back for more. I wonder how many skillful players didn't make it in that era because they couldn't handle the physical nature of the game

Good point about the backpass rule. I saw Craig Johnston play a 25 yard lofted pass back to Bruce grobbelar which landed around thigh height. You’d get slated if you tried that to a keeper today for understandable reasons.

Physicality is an interesting point because I see what you’re getting at with the more lenient interpretation of the rules but on the other side of the coin the players nowadays are in far better condition with far more muscle mass about them.

In an LFC - United game I saw, Haughton and Strachan were tearing it up on either right flank with their turn of pace and dribbling. I bet both of them would have scored far more in today’s era as they’d be in at RW not on the right side of a 4.

[Charly]

Molby was fantastic, but I am not sure he could make it at the top level today, certainly not in a Klopp team.

Doesnt change the fact he was amazing, despite his portly stature... In fact he was amazing because of it.

Barnes is probably the obvious player from the 80s who I think would transfer to the modern game as is.

[RichC]

I’d think Rushie would suit our game in this era.

[rodo]

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